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Amending a PS plan to add a Safe Harbor 401(k) provision


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#1 katieinny

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 03:35 PM

I'm having trouble understanding the rules about adding a Safe Harbor feature to an existing profit sharing plan at the same time the plan year is converting from a fiscal year to a calendar year. I'm pretty sure we missed the deadline by a few days, but I would still like to understand what I'm reading.

A profit sharing plan has an August 31st year end. The employer just contacted us about adding a Safe Harbor 401(k) feature and changing the plan year. So there would be a short plan year from September 1 to December 31. If we had added the Safe Harbor feature by October 1, would that have worked?

I've read about the exception if the short plan year is created by an amendment (which we would do), but the 2 conditions confuse me:

1) the plan year immediately preceding the short plan year (Sept. 1, 2006 -- Aug. 31, 2007) satisfied the 401(k) safe harbor rules. (How could it do that? It wasn't a safe harbor plan then.) AND

2) the plan year immediately following the short plan year also satisfies the 401(k) safe harbor rules (no problem).

It seems to me that even if we had met the October 1 deadline, the client still couldn't convert to a safe harbor plan in 2007. But can we convert to a safe harbor plan beginning January 1, 2008?

#2 Tom Poje

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Posted 12 October 2007 - 06:15 AM

the cite you quote is for an existing safe harbor plan (otherwise, given the fact a safe harbor has to be 12 months long you could never amend/change a plan year on n existing safe harbor)
you can always covert an existing profit sharing to a safe harbor as long as the first year is at least 3 months long, so you should have been able to put one in place by 10/1. you could not convert an existing 401(k) plan to a safe harbor plan mid year.

bah. I must find a way to stop filing dead lines from coming


#3 katieinny

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Posted 12 October 2007 - 08:56 AM

Tom: So changing from a fiscal year to a calendar year isn't a factor here. Since we missed the 10/1 date, we can start 1/1/08?

#4 Tom Poje

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Posted 12 October 2007 - 10:12 AM

yes, that is correct.

bah. I must find a way to stop filing dead lines from coming