ForksnKnives
Oct 26 2009, 10:22 PM
This participant is no longer employed but has an outstanding loan on her 401k account. Her outstanding loan balance is roughly $12,000 but the market value of the account (excluding the loan of course) is roughly $3,000. The plan processes quarterly deminimis distributions. She is able to continue to make loan payments after leaving the employer.
Based upon this scenario, does the $3,000 balance allow the plan to cash her out and default the loan, or does the outstanding loan balance prevent the deminimis distribution?
Sieve
Oct 27 2009, 03:39 PM
I'm not aware of any official guidance, but here's my thoughts . . .
If the loan has not been deemed distributed, then her account balance currently is $15,000 (& she will receive a 1099-R for $15,000). Involuntary distribution provisions do not apply. Consent required.
If/when she ceases making loan repayments and the loan is deemed distributed (i.e., usually at the end of the quarter following the quarter when the first payment is missed)--& therefore when a 1099-R obligation arises--then I would say that the accrued benefit no longer includes the loan repayment obligation. At that point, if the accrued benefit is less than $5,000, involuntary distribution would be permissible (keeping in mind the IRA mandatory rollover issues and appropriate plan provisions).
Afterthought: Although I know that a deemed distirbution is not an actual distribution, the regs state that a "deemed distribution . . . is not a distribution of the accrued benefit." (Treas. Reg. Section 1.72(p), Q&A-13(a)(2).) It therefore would seem that my discussion (above) about an involuntary distribution following a deemed distribution is wrong--i.e., even deeming a loan will not reduce the accrued benefit by the amount of the deemed distribution in order to permit an involuntary distribution. Anyone with other thoughts, opinions?
Kevin C
Oct 27 2009, 05:36 PM
Sieve,
I gathered from the OP that the participant is terminated and eligible for a distribution. That would make a loan default an offset instead of being deemed. I agree there can not be a cashout if she continues to make the payments.