ssmith
Oct 31 2008, 11:04 AM
A daughter was named sole beneficiary on one of her father's IRA's and she wishes to divide the IRA equally among her 6 siblings and herself. She wants to do this without incurring a tax liability to herself in the process. Does anyone know how this can be accomplished? I am not very familiar with IRA situations such as this one and am not having any luck with my research.
Thanks so much!
Sandy
Sieve
Oct 31 2008, 11:30 AM
It's possible, but it will depend on the IRA document's default beneficiary provisions.
If she properly and timely disclaims 6/7 of the IRA, then she will be a designated beneficiary to only 1/7 of the IRA for purposes of post-death minimum required distributions. If the 6 siblings are the default beneficiaries under the IRA document, then all 7 will be beneficiaries to 1/7 of the IRA.
Bird
Oct 31 2008, 12:18 PM
I think you might be overthinking this. She's one of the 7 siblings, so (if the siblings are the default beneficiary) she should disclaim all of it and get her 1/7 under the default. Otherwise she gets 1/7th plus 1/7th of 6/7ths.
Sieve
Oct 31 2008, 12:30 PM
Well, she did do all the leg work . . .
You're right--if the siblings can take as default beneficiaries under the document--and that's an important "if", of course--then she should disclaim all.
Appleby
Oct 31 2008, 07:52 PM
I don’t think you can disclaim benefits, and have the benefits go to you. I think Sieve was right the first time. She would disclaim 6/7, and then ‘step aside’ so the remaining 6 children would share the disclaimed amount.
If the agreement does not have a beneficiary provision that defaults to the children, the other option would be to work out some arrangement where she takes a distribution, gives them their share and they reimburse her for any taxes incurred as a result of the amount she gives to them.
J Simmons
Oct 31 2008, 09:25 PM
I agree with Sieve Post #2 and Appleby. There are estate distribution cases that hold if you waive, you then don't share at all in the subsequent residual or intestate distribution.
masteff
Oct 31 2008, 10:27 PM
QUOTE (Appleby @ Oct 31 2008, 07:52 PM)

the other option would be to work out some arrangement where she takes a distribution, gives them their share and they reimburse her for any taxes incurred as a result of the amount she gives to them.
Actually, instead of giving the siblings money and hoping they give part of it back... have a CPA figure out the tax burden on the distribution and then split the net. (Basically, figure the daughter's taxes w/ and w/out the distribution, subtract the difference from the distribution and then divy it up.)
Appleby
Nov 1 2008, 03:19 PM
QUOTE (masteff @ Oct 31 2008, 11:27 PM)

QUOTE (Appleby @ Oct 31 2008, 07:52 PM)

the other option would be to work out some arrangement where she takes a distribution, gives them their share and they reimburse her for any taxes incurred as a result of the amount she gives to them.
Actually, instead of giving the siblings money and hoping they give part of it back... have a CPA figure out the tax burden on the distribution and then split the net. (Basically, figure the daughter's taxes w/ and w/out the distribution, subtract the difference from the distribution and then divy it up.)
Agreed....much better option
Bird
Nov 2 2008, 09:19 AM
QUOTE
I agree with Sieve Post #2 and Appleby. There are estate distribution cases that hold if you waive, you then don't share at all in the subsequent residual or intestate distribution.
Ok, I stand corrected. Thanks.
Sieve
Nov 3 2008, 01:40 AM
And my correction stands corrected. (I always thought that estate planning stuff was complicated . . . !!)
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