Earl
Nov 29 2008, 08:58 AM
I thought I remembered reading a requirement that stated if you have a loan in default you cannot get a new loan.
I sure can't find it now that the situation has arisen.
Anyone have any clues on this or am I imagining it?
Thank you
K2retire
Nov 29 2008, 11:19 AM
It depends on the plan's loan policy provisions. I remember being taught that if a participant had defaulted on a loan then the plan administrator must take that into account in determining credit worthiness for a subsequent loan. Also, some plans limit the number of outstanding loans and the defaulted one counts toward that limit until repaid.
Corbel's EGTRRA prototype has specific choices in the loan policy that ask if the plan administrator must determine credit worthiness and if a participant may have another loan after a default. That implies that the answer to your question might be yes.
Earl
Dec 1 2008, 10:05 AM
Good summary of policy guidelines, know any regulatory guidelines on the issue?
Thanks
Tom Poje
Dec 1 2008, 11:40 AM
also, for purposes of determining how much loan is available, even though the defaulted is no longer considered for other purposes, the defaulted loan continues to accrue interest, so even if a plan allows more than one loan, the individual is 'penalized' so to speak
Sieve
Dec 1 2008, 05:16 PM
For some guidelines, see Treas. Reg. Sectino 1.72(p)-1, Q&A-19.
Earl
Dec 1 2008, 06:31 PM
Thanks, so I guess there is no express prohibition and I was dreaming.
Appreciate it.
Sieve
Dec 1 2008, 06:41 PM
Well, Earl . . . maybe you weren't dreaming, but just smokin' . . . ???
Besides, as suggested by K2, there may be a plan prohibition.
Earl
Dec 1 2008, 07:27 PM
Since we are talking about the owner, I am not really worried about what the plan says because I can change that in about 5 minutes.
But there are those pesky regulations that continue to harrass me.
Thanks again.
K2retire
Dec 1 2008, 10:14 PM
QUOTE (Earl @ Dec 1 2008, 07:27 PM)

Since we are talking about the owner, I am not really worried about what the plan says because I can change that in about 5 minutes.
But there are those pesky regulations that continue to harrass me.
Thanks again.
If it's an owner only plan, you're fine. If not, be careful that you change doesn't happen in a discriminatory manner. Has anyone else had a defaulted loan who could be impacted?
QDROphile
Dec 2 2008, 11:06 AM
If the borrower is the owner, you have great sensitivity because loans that are not paid are essentially in-service distributions. Who is making the decision to make the loan? Is there an intent and capability to pay? If there is, why has not the first loan been paid? I think the situation is terribly sticky and just the sort of thing the IRS would jump on if it ever enforced anything.
Earl
Dec 2 2008, 01:59 PM
QUOTE (QDROphile @ Dec 2 2008, 12:06 PM)

If the borrower is the owner, you have great sensitivity because loans that are not paid are essentially in-service distributions. Who is making the decision to make the loan? Is there an intent and capability to pay? If there is, why has not the first loan been paid? I think the situation is terribly sticky and just the sort of thing the IRS would jump on if it ever enforced anything.
That sounds just like what I told him. Except I said dangerous instead of sticky.
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please
click here.