Casey Posted October 7, 2005 Posted October 7, 2005 DC plan has life insurance policies. In addition to reporting on Part III of Schedule A, I believe the cash value also needs to be reported on Schedule H. My question: what line is normally used to report this? The only insurance policies that seem to be specifically mentioned are insurance company general accounts/unallocated contracts. [Line 1.c.14] Would you put this in the "other" line -- line 1.c.15? Thanks for your help, Casey
Guest 5500 Posted October 8, 2005 Posted October 8, 2005 Are these allocated contracts? If so, I don't think they are treated as plan assets.
Casey Posted October 11, 2005 Author Posted October 11, 2005 They are life insurance contracts on individuals, with premiums paid from the retirement plan account of the participant that is covered. The life insurance contracts have a cash value. The cash value may be a plan asset? If so, where does the plan record it on Schedule H? Casey
Bird Posted October 11, 2005 Posted October 11, 2005 I haven't had the misfortune of having to deal with life insurance in a large plan, but since you're not getting a lot of action here I'll offer my opinion, in which I don't have great confidence: If they are regular whole life contracts, I think they are reported on line 1c(14). I thought that unallocated contracts are those that contain assets that are not separated from the insurance company's general assets; i.e. they are subject to claims of the insurance company's creditors (and regular whole life contracts fall in this category). Anything with sub-accounts, e.g. variable life or a group variable annuity, is, I think, a pooled separate account. I never thought much of the idea that insurance contracts aren't included in the assets. That means that you have to expense the premiums, which I don't think is correct. (Also raises the question of how to get the money back in the plan for reporting purposes if the contract is surrendered.) Ed Snyder
Guest 5500 Posted October 11, 2005 Posted October 11, 2005 I believe that if the plan has access to the cash value, that portion of the insurance contract would be unallocated and reported on line 1©14 as Bird stated.
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