Guest Bearlee Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 The non-profit org. (which arguably is controlled by a church - that's a separate discussion) has filed Form 5500s for many years (never thinking it could be a church plan) but never did the 410(d) election formally via on the Form 5500 or Determination letter application. Does this mean that this org. is still eligible to be a church plan or is the filing of the Form 5500 deemed an irrevocable election? If there is any authority for this, I would also appreciate the citation. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Danny Miller Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 The non-profit org. (which arguably is controlled by a church - that's a separate discussion) has filed Form 5500s for many years (never thinking it could be a church plan) but never did the 410(d) election formally via on the Form 5500 or Determination letter application. Does this mean that this org. is still eligible to be a church plan or is the filing of the Form 5500 deemed an irrevocable election? If there is any authority for this, I would also appreciate the citation. Thank you! The regulations under Code section 410(d) tell you how to make an election for a church plan to be subject to ERISA and the Code provisions from which a church plan is otherwise exempt. The regs are specific about how to do that, and there isn't an "inadvertent" election concept built into them. In PLR 8536041, the IRS determined that a prototype retirement plan adopted by a church was a church plan despite the fact that the plan document was written as if the plan was covered by ERISA. The DOL, in Advisory Opinion 85-32. determined that a pension plan adopted by a Catholic hospital was a church plan despite the fact that the plan administrator had filed a 5500 for the 1982 plan year and paid PBGC premiums in 1982 and 1983. So, there's some authority that supports the notion that an employer can't inadvertently make a 410(d) election. Now, here's a caveat, and it's a big one: The IRS, DOL and PBGC have been meeting for the last several years (since 2003) on church plan ruling issues. Without going into all the whys and wherefors as to why those discussions are taking place, I recently learned that the concept of an inadvertent 410(d) election has been/is being discussed, and that, if an employer has acted like its plan is ERISA-covered in plan language, filling 5500s, etc., it may be treated as having made an election to be subject to ERISA. So, stay tuned. Church plan guidance is on the IRS guidance plan for its guidance fiscal year ending 6/30/09, so we'll have to see what comes out of the IRS, DOL and PBGC discussions. Presumably a decision that there is such a thing as an inadvertent 410(d) election would be applied prospectively. But you never know. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bearlee Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Thanks so much - that was comprehensive. Have a nice weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david rigby Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 ... the concept of an inadvertent 410(d) election has been/is being discussed, and that, if an employer has acted like its plan is ERISA-covered in plan language, filling 5500s, etc., it may be treated as having made an election to be subject to ERISA. I thought this happened in the past (that is, the IRS treated a 5500 filing as "making an election"), but that position changed upon a formal challenge. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 You can make a 410(d) election and attach it with your 5500 - that would be an affirmative election (the coverage is not triggered by merely the 5500 filing, until we hear otherwise from the IRS/DOL). Another method would be to include such a 410(d) election with the plan's determination letter filing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Watson Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 The non-profit org. (which arguably is controlled by a church - that's a separate discussion) has filed Form 5500s for many years (never thinking it could be a church plan) but never did the 410(d) election formally via on the Form 5500 or Determination letter application. Does this mean that this org. is still eligible to be a church plan or is the filing of the Form 5500 deemed an irrevocable election? If there is any authority for this, I would also appreciate the citation. Thank you! The regulations under Code section 410(d) tell you how to make an election for a church plan to be subject to ERISA and the Code provisions from which a church plan is otherwise exempt. The regs are specific about how to do that, and there isn't an "inadvertent" election concept built into them. In PLR 8536041, the IRS determined that a prototype retirement plan adopted by a church was a church plan despite the fact that the plan document was written as if the plan was covered by ERISA. The DOL, in Advisory Opinion 85-32. determined that a pension plan adopted by a Catholic hospital was a church plan despite the fact that the plan administrator had filed a 5500 for the 1982 plan year and paid PBGC premiums in 1982 and 1983. So, there's some authority that supports the notion that an employer can't inadvertently make a 410(d) election. Now, here's a caveat, and it's a big one: The IRS, DOL and PBGC have been meeting for the last several years (since 2003) on church plan ruling issues. Without going into all the whys and wherefors as to why those discussions are taking place, I recently learned that the concept of an inadvertent 410(d) election has been/is being discussed, and that, if an employer has acted like its plan is ERISA-covered in plan language, filling 5500s, etc., it may be treated as having made an election to be subject to ERISA. So, stay tuned. Church plan guidance is on the IRS guidance plan for its guidance fiscal year ending 6/30/09, so we'll have to see what comes out of the IRS, DOL and PBGC discussions. Presumably a decision that there is such a thing as an inadvertent 410(d) election would be applied prospectively. But you never know. Hope this helps. I can't seem to find a copy of 85-32 anywhere...not on the DOL website or even on BNA. Does anyone have a copy or a link to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin C Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 I found this old thread while searching and stumbled on the Opinion letter mentioned. If anyone needs it, it is DOL Advisory Opinion 85-32A. http://www.erisaadvisoryopinions.com/inclu...1985/85-32A.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex1245 Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 I found this old thread while searching and stumbled on the Opinion letter mentioned. If anyone needs it, it is DOL Advisory Opinion 85-32A. http://www.erisaadvisoryopinions.com/inclu...1985/85-32A.php this is 1995. i hope the laws aren't changed since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin C Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 A more recent mention of the 410(d) election method is in Rev. Proc. 2011-44, Section 2 Background. Section 410(d) permits an election to be made under which a church plan would be subject to the same requirements as apply to other qualified plans (electing church plan). Section 1.410(d)-1 of the Income Tax Regulations provides that the election is irrevocable and may be made only by the plan administrator and only in the manner provided in the regulations. If the election is made, the plan must comply with the applicable provisions of the Code. In addition, an electing church plan would be covered by and subject to Title I and, if a defined benefit pension plan, Title IV of ERISA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol V. Calhoun Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 Alas, the domain registration for erisaadvisoryopinions.com expired, and the opinion in question doesn't seem to be available elsewhere on the Web. Employee benefits legal resource site The opinions of my postings are my own and do not necessarily represent my law firm's position, strategies, or opinions. The contents of my postings are offered for informational purposes only and should not be construed as legal advice. A visit to this board or an exchange of information through this board does not create an attorney-client relationship. You should consult directly with an attorney for individual advice regarding your particular situation. I am not your lawyer under any circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin C Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 DOL Opinion 85-32A, (Sep. 6, 1985) ERISA Sec. 3(33) ERISA Sec. 4(b)(2) ERISA Sec. 3(11) ERISA Sec. 3(10) U.S. Department of Labor, Office of Pension and Welfare Benefit Programs, Washington, D.C. 20210 Mr. Samuel Robbins Enrolled Actuary The Wyatt Company Pan Am Building, Suite 306 255 Ponce De Leon Avenue Hato Rey, Puerto Rico 00917 Dear Mr. Robbins: This is in reply to your letter of February 21, 1985, and previous correspondence with the Department of Labor (the Department) concerning applicability of title I of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 (ERISA) to the Pension Plan for Employees (the Plan) of Hospital de la Concepcion (the Hospital), San German, Puerto Rico. Specifically, you request an advisory opinion stating the Plan is a church plan within the meaning of section 3(33) of title I of ERISA and, thus, is excluded from compliance with title I provisions by section 4(b)(2) of title I of ERISA. Your correspondence contains the following facts and representations. The Hospital has been operating in San German for over four centuries and has always been the property of the Roman Catholic Church. The Hospital was issued a certificate of incorporation as a nonprofit corporation February 27, 1956, by the Secretary of State of Puerto Rico. Since 1976, the Hospital has been owned by the Diocese of Mayaguez of the Roman Catholic Church of Puerto Rico. The 1984 Mayaguez Diocesan Directory indicates that the religious order of Sisters of Charity of Saint Vincent de Paul staff the Hospital. It appears that the Hospital has obtained exemption from tax as a nonprofit institution under the Puerto Rican Income Tax Act. You state that the reason the Hospital is not exempt under section 501 of the Internal Revenue Code (the Code) is that jurisdiction of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) does not extend to the Hospital, but that you represent, for purposes of this advisory opinion, that if the Hospital were made subject to IRS jurisdiction it would be an organization exempt from tax under the appropriate sections of the Code. The Hospital's Board of Trustees (the Board) derives its authority directly from the Bishop of Mayaguez. The Board has 15 members whom you describe as mainly “religious officials.” The Bishop of Mayaguez is president of the Board and the diocesan vicar general is vice-president of the Board. You state that all Board members share common religious bonds and convictions with the Roman Catholic Church. The president of the medical faculty participates in the administration of the Hospital only as an ex officio (nonvoting) member of the Board. The Plan was approved by the Board on August 25, 1967, to provide pension benefits to Hospital employees. The Plan apparently operates in accordance with a trust document dated January 12, 1968, between the Bishop of Ponce (to whose diocese San German and the Hospital then belonged) and the Right Reverend Monsignor Pedro J. Ballester as trustee. The Plan is administered by a Retirement Plan Committee. Its sole function is to administer the Plan for the benefit of the Hospital's employees. Members are appointed by the Hospital's Board, and you state that the Retirement Plan Committee also shares common religious bonds and convictions with the Roman Catholic Church. You state that Code provisions concerning plan qualification are inapplicable to the Plan and you do not consider IRS jurisdiction to extend to the Plan; however, an administrator for the Plan apparently filed Form 5500 for the 1982 plan year with IRS and submitted premium payment forms for plan years 1981 and 1982 to the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC). You state that you are interested in obtaining a refund of premiums from PBGC and that you believe the Department's opinion concerning church plan status under title I of ERISA will assist you. It is unclear whether you are also seeking a determination from IRS concerning its jurisdiction over the Plan in connection with your request for refund from PBGC. In accordance with section 4(a) of title I of ERISA, title I of ERISA applies to any employee benefit plan established or maintained by an employer engaged in commerce or in any industry or activity affecting commerce, by an employee organization engaged in commerce or in any industry or activity affecting commerce, or by both, to provide benefits to employees and their beneficiaries except those plans specifically excluded therefrom by section 4(b) of title I of ERISA or otherwise excluded therefrom. For purposes of the jurisdiction of the Department under title I of ERISA, we note that the term “industry or activity affecting commerce” has been given a liberal interpretation by the courts, that the term “commerce” in section 3(11) of title I of ERISA includes, among other things, communication between any state and any place outside thereof, and that the term “State” is defined in section 3(10) of title I of ERISA to include Puerto Rico. Moreover, the Department previously concluded that employee benefit plans are not excluded from coverage under title I of ERISA solely by virtue of being established or maintained in Puerto Rico. See, for example, ERISA Opinion 78-06A (issued March 13, 1978) and ERISA Opinion 84-26A (issued June 18, 1984). Copies of these and other relevant advisory opinions are enclosed for your information. However, as you know, section 4(b)(2) of title I of ERISA excludes from coverage under title I of ERISA any plan which is a church plan as defined in section 3(33) of title I of ERISA. The term “church plan” is defined in section 3(33) of ERISA, in pertinent part, as: (33) (A) … a plan established and maintained (to the extent required in clause (ii) of subparagraph (B)) for its employees (or their beneficiaries) by a church or by a convention or association of churches which is exempt from tax under section 501 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1954. * * * © For purposes of this paragraph — (i) A plan established and maintained for its employees (or their beneficiaries) by a church or by a convention or association of churches includes a plan maintained by an organization, whether a civil law corporation or otherwise, the principal purpose or function of which is the administration or funding of a plan or program for the provision of retirement benefits or welfare benefits, or both, for the employees of a church or a convention or association of churches, if such organization is controlled by or associated with a church or a convention or association of churches. (ii) The term employee of a church or a convention or association of churches includes — * * * (II) an employee of an organization, whether a civil law corporation or otherwise, which is exempt from tax under section 501 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 and which is controlled by or associated with a church or a convention or association of churches; … . * * * (iii) A church or a convention or association of churches which is exempt from tax under section 501 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 shall be deemed the employer of any individual included as an employee under clause (ii). (iv) An organization, whether a civil law corporation or otherwise, is associated with a church or a convention or association of churches if it shares common religious bonds and convictions with that church or convention or association of churches … . Based on the information you submitted and on your representation that if subject to IRS jurisdiction the Hospital would be a tax-exempt organization under Code section 501, it is the position of the Department that the Pension Plan for Employees of the Hospital is a church plan within the meaning of section 3(33) of ERISA. Accordingly, such a pension plan would be exempt from coverage under title I of ERISA pursuant to section 4(b)(2) of ERISA. This letter constitutes an advisory opinion under ERISA Procedure 76-1. Accordingly, this letter is issued subject to the provisions of the procedure, including section 10 thereof relating to the effect of advisory opinions. Sincerely, Elliot I. Daniel Acting Assistant Administrator for Regulations and Interpretations Enclosures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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