CaliBen Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 What impact, if any will this decision have on employer sponsored life insurance plans that offer employee spouses life insurance on a voluntary basis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpod Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 probably nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliBen Posted June 28, 2013 Author Share Posted June 28, 2013 Why do you say that? Would same sex spouses now be eligible? What if the employee & spouse are married in a state that recognizes same sex marriage, but live/work in a state that does not? What about children of the same sex spouse who now presumably are stepchildren of the employee - are they now eligible to participate in the various benefit plans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMK Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 What if the employee & spouse are married in a state that recognizes same sex marriage, but live/work in a state that does not? MoJo's post (post #7) here: http://benefitslink.com/boards/index.php?/topic/53871-doma-change-and-effect-on-retirement-plans/ gives the current status and indicates to me that the "privileges and immunity clause" he mentions will prevail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpod Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 What I am saying is that the DOMA decision has no impact on an employer's ability to refuse spousal life insurance coverage to same-sex spouses, if it chooses to go that route, or for that matter the insurance company's refusal to offer it to same-sex spouses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VinSzel Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Time to rethink this issue. ERISA and IRS plan qualification might require recognition of a same sex spouse where marriage is "celebrated" in a state or foreign country which recognizes same sex marriage, despite state law of current residency or situs of plan. See, DOL DOL Techniical Release 2013-04 (9/18/2013) and IRS Rev. Rul. 2013-17 (9/16/2013) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QDROphile Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 So what does ERISA say about spouses and employer sponsored life insurnace? Contrast the tax code that says, for example, that a pension plan plan participant cannot designate a beneficiairy other than a spouse without spouse consent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My 2 cents Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 It seems pretty clear now that if a male participant is legally married to another man (based on the laws of the place where the marriage was performed), then, to the same extent as required with respect to opposite-sex spouses (assuming that it is a requirement), the participant cannot designate someone else to be the beneficiary of the employer-sponsored life insurance without his spouse's consent. Employer-provided insurance on the life of the spouse may be less clear, but any company providing life insurance on the lives of opposite-sex spouses but not same-sex spouses would seem to be inviting trouble. As Justice Scalia pointed out in his dissent to the DOMA decision, the same arguments used as the rationale for the DOMA decision with respect to federal law could, by little more than replacing "federal" with "state" wherever it appears, stand as a rationale for a similar decision with respect to all state laws. If the Supreme Court were to rule (at some point in the near future) that any laws, federal or state, that treat same-sex marriages as less legitimate than opposite-sex marriages were unconstitutional, would anyone be surprised? Always check with your actuary first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QDROphile Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Where is the requirement that an employee must get spouse consent to designate a beneficiary other than a spouse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david rigby Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 ...the participant cannot designate someone else to be the beneficiary of the employer-sponsored life insurance without his spouse's consent. Agree with QDROphile. Where do you find this in Code or regs? I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My 2 cents Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I misunderstood the post before my earlier post. I did try to say that it was assumed for my post that there is such a requirement and said that it would be required to the same extent for same-sex couples as for opposite-sex couples. Sorry if Imuddied the waters. So let's assume it is not required (and I leave it to those who work with employer-provided life insurance to give a more definitive answer on that point). Always check with your actuary first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpod Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 But, even if the life insurance policy said that the spouse is the default beneficiary absent consent to another beneficiary, the same sex issue would not be impacted at all by DOMA or by the Windsor case. Yes, you'd have an issue as to what "spouse" means, but since there is no Federal law involved DOMA and its repeal would be irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My 2 cents Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Wouldn't employer-provided life insurance be considered a welfare benefit plan and therefore subject to ERISA? Not the same rules as pension benefits etc. but at least in some fashion subject to ERISA? Always check with your actuary first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpod Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 That's correct, but erisa doesn't have spousal beneficiary rules for life insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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