Peter Gulia Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 Many employers do not use health insurance for a health plan, and instead pay claims from the employer's general assets. Some of these employers buy a stop-loss insurance contract to protect the employer (not the participants) against its risk of outsize claims under the health plan. Can an employer do the same thing with a disability plan? Is there a ready market for stop-loss insurance contracts regarding disability claims? Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Gulia Posted May 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 Any help? And is there some other reason why big employers don't do this? Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Kelly Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 Nature of claims is entirely different from health: e.g., low incidence with high average individual exposure from long tails a la workers' comp. You may find stop coverage for STD/LTD offshore at high expense including foreign excise taxes. If domestic health stop loss carriers saw an opportunity for a profitable new product, they woulod have brought it to market millenia ago. By the way, domestic carriers do write stop loss coverage for dental claims. There is little interest because of lack of risk takers on both sides. Au contraire, there is much cession of life coverage especially among new carriers being risk averse. Doghouse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Bailey Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 I think theoretically ERISA and Code would let you self-insure disability. The problems are business issues. The one mentioned above, i.e., lack of market on sell-side, is relevant, but my guess is an even bigger issue, and one that partly accounts for lack of market, is the benefit security. Self-insured health plans are dependent on continued funding by employer and employee contributions. Certainly, if the employer becomes insolvent, or is sold, and its health plan goes away, there may be a hiccup with paying runout claims, but the employees move on and get other coverage. If you are long-term disabled, that could be it--you may never work again. If, e.g., that happens to you at 30, the employee needs to know that he or she will receive LTD payments for 35 years, month-in, month-out. Insurance companies are long-term players, and are regulated by states so that they cannot shed their obligations, and even in bankruptcy there are guarantee funds. So the obligor of the LTD is solid and long-term. And LTD always has a waiver of premiums once employee becomes disabled. So with insured LTD, if the employee becomes disabled, he or she leaves with a paid-up commitment from the insurer to pay benefits until age 65 or 66 (assuming the LTD recipient doesn't get better ), and that promise is not dependent on the longevity, financial health, or willingness of employer to continue plan. It's a paid up obligation of the insurer from first payment to last. Flyboyjohn, Doghouse and Chaz 3 Luke Bailey Senior Counsel Clark Hill PLC 214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com 2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600 Frisco, TX 75034 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Gulia Posted May 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 Juan Kelly and Luke Bailey, thank you for the nice help! Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hr for me Posted May 19, 2017 Report Share Posted May 19, 2017 I've seen it done for STD for short periods of time.....but the others are correct that when you get into long time periods of payments, it can be a much larger issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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