Santo Gold Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 We are a non-producing TPA firm strictly fee based with the clients. We have an existing financial advisor who is inquiring whether he could bundle his fees with ours, we get paid annually both our fees and his fee, and then cut him a check for his portion at year end. We would 1099 him for the amount. This is what he is proposing. Does this sound A-OK for both us as the TPA as well as for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Starr Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 27 minutes ago, Santo Gold said: We are a non-producing TPA firm strictly fee based with the clients. We have an existing financial advisor who is inquiring whether he could bundle his fees with ours, we get paid annually both our fees and his fee, and then cut him a check for his portion at year end. We would 1099 him for the amount. This is what he is proposing. Does this sound A-OK for both us as the TPA as well as for him? Perfectly fine. We are also fee only. We did this years ago, but have not had such an arrangement for maybe 25 or 30 years. Anyway, we had a disclosure on our invoice that said "$X of the above fee will be paid to Agent W for his/her part in servicing your plan. You signature below acknowledges this and approves the payment to Agent W". Assuming we get the client's signature, we cut a check and 1099 it to the agent. Lawrence C. Starr, FLMI, CLU, CEBS, CPC, ChFC, EA, ATA, QPFC President Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. 46 Daggett Drive West Springfield, MA 01089 413-736-2066 larrystarr@qpc-inc.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shERPA Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Not something I would do. As long as it's disclosed it should be legal from your end. Not sure this would be the case for the advisor, they are much more tightly regulated than TPAs. Is this advisor a registered rep? Or an RIA? Has he looked into this? How would other financial advisors perceive this? Would they want the same, or worse, would they figure you and this advisor are working together such that they would not want to refer business to you? Why should you bill it for him? Why not the other way around? You risk getting "spreadsheeted" and replaced. Clients tend to evaluate fees by running a Quickbooks payee report based on what they paid the TPA in the prior 12 months, without regard to what was paid (a restatement? other amendment? Maybe two years admins based on timing of when the work was done each year)? They don't look at 408(b)(2) disclosures when they have their P&L to tell them. They will see they paid you a lot more than the new guy trying to get their plan admin. My $0.02. rr_sphr, ERISAGal and Bill Presson 3 I carry stuff uphill for others who get all the glory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Gulia Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (Leaving to others questions about what makes business sense.) Santo Gold, the facts in your query don’t say whether the employer or the plan pays the fees. If the plan pays, you’d want the disclosures to be enough to meet your and the advisor’s conditions under 29 C.F.R. § 2550.408b-2, including its rules about indirect payments. If the advisor is a registered investment adviser, it must disclose (in at least its Form ADV Part 2 brochure and investment-advisory agreement) anything about a person other than the advisee paying the fee, and any indirect collection of the fee. Even if that’s the other guy’s issue, you might prefer to satisfy yourself that the adviser’s disclosures are sound to help you avoid involvement with a fiduciary’s (the plan administrator’s or the adviser’s, if it is a fiduciary) breach. Also, you might want to design the pay-over arrangement so both portions of an amount paid to you have become no longer plan assets before anything is paid to you. Remember, even non-discretionary control of plan assets can make one a fiduciary. Eve Sav 1 Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santo Gold Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 This would be the Plan sponsor paying the fees, not the plan. Advisor is an RIA so what you stated seems very practical. Thanks to all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackS Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 I am a little late to this thread but what on earth could be in this for you? Are you in the habit of doing others peoples billings for them? Kevin C 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Starr Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 18 hours ago, JackS said: I am a little late to this thread but what on earth could be in this for you? Are you in the habit of doing others peoples billings for them? What's in it is satisfying someone who brings you business and if it's no big deal, why not do it if there are no legal restrictions. Lawrence C. Starr, FLMI, CLU, CEBS, CPC, ChFC, EA, ATA, QPFC President Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. 46 Daggett Drive West Springfield, MA 01089 413-736-2066 larrystarr@qpc-inc.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevenkaconsiders Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Yes, it sounds good, and you can do it. I also built a TPA company. I built it more because I followed a step to start building generational wealth, which I found on https://parentportfolio.com/generational-wealth/. It consists in building a small business, but in the end, I like to run a TPA business. We also had a lot of TPA proposals in partnership with a financial advisor. That is why I recommend you carefully consider the financial advisor's needs. Many can lie, but if you find a reliable financial advisor, I recommend you do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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