TPApril Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 I understand a plan is not required to restate if it terminates prior to 7/31/22, albeit it must be fully up to date, including at this time the Hardship and SECURE amendments. That being said, if a plan does terminate but does not yet distribute assets in full by 7/31/22, would there be any qualification issue? I'm thinking it's okay but wanted to throw that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Gulia Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 Leaving aside your question about a lag between a discontinuance or termination date and the plan’s final distribution: Following your idea that the plan’s documents “must be fully up to date” when the plan terminates, wouldn’t at least some provisions in a cycle 3 restatement be needed for the plan’s termination? Wouldn’t the plan’s sponsor want the cycle 3 restatement and whichever further amendments are needed to make the user’s document up-to-date for the termination? Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPApril Posted June 12 Author Report Share Posted June 12 Peter - you would think so, but this question has to do with a couple of deadbeat plan sponsors of very small plans who need to be begged and cajoled simply to sign their 5500. Annual fees as it is exceed any earnings within the plans. The goal is to ease their way out of their plan. Any such plan termination would indicate such outstanding issues as the unfulfilled restatement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Presson Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 If you really feel badly for them, do the restatement (and termination package) as a gift. That way it gets done right and you can sleep at night. William C. Presson, ERPA, QPA, QKAbill.presson@gmail.com C 205.994.4070Connect on LinkedIn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Bailey Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 On 6/12/2022 at 3:58 PM, TPApril said: I understand a plan is not required to restate if it terminates prior to 7/31/22, albeit it must be fully up to date, including at this time the Hardship and SECURE amendments. That being said, if a plan does terminate but does not yet distribute assets in full by 7/31/22, would there be any qualification issue? I'm thinking it's okay but wanted to throw that out. TPApril, under Rev. 89-87 a plan that the employer resolves to terminate will not be treated as terminated, but rather frozen, unless all of its assets are distributed as soon as administratively feasible, which is generally considered to be one year. So basically, you have a year. The plan would need to be up to date for all applicable law changes as of the stated date of termination, however. Luke Bailey Senior Counsel Clark Hill PLC 214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com 2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600 Frisco, TX 75034 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G8Rs Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 The conclusion from the May 23, 2022 EP newsletter (below) answers your question. Regardless of why you don't restate onto the new documents, it's not a per se qualification failure. You just have no reliance on the good-faith interim amendments so there's a risk (albeit very small) if those amendments have any defects. Conclusion The failure to qualify as a pre-approved plan is not a qualification issue. Being a pre-approved plan is one method of meeting the requirement to have an updated written plan document. If the employer who sponsors a plan does not timely adopt a current pre-approved plan, it can still meet the written document requirements as an individually designed plan. Individually designed plans that don't meet those requirements can be self-corrected under the circumstances detailed in Rev. Proc. 2021-30, Part IV. https://www.irs.gov/retirement-plans/employee-plans-news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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