AmyETPA Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 plan reporting is done on an accrual basis. We are at 121 participants at beginning of plan year in part due to several participants who received a profit sharing contribution who had previously terminated and been paid out but now had this showing as in their account at the end of the plan year. Any chance we could exclude them from the count. I believe the answer is no but thought I'd get other opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatherBeGolfing Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 If the balances are even partially vested, no. If you happen to have a terminee with only an unvested balance that has not been forfeited yet, you can get to the magical 120 count.... Assuming you as a small filer last year of course. Luke Bailey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookReader Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 If plan reporting is done on a cash basis, is the answer still the same? I am thinking the answer is still the same. Regardless of whether reporting on a cash or accrual basis, the participant has an account balance. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
401kology Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 I agree with RatherBeGolfing - Also noting that you generally cannot choose cash basis one year and accrual the next, so if it is accrual based and the terminated employees are partially or fully vested then your count is 121. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookReader Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Assume a different plan that has always filed the 5500 on a cash basis. On the account statements, 120 participants have an account balance consisting of actual funds as of 12/31/2022. The plan sponsor deposited an employer contribution on April 1, 2023 for the 2022 plan year. There were two participants who had been paid out prior to 12/31/2022, who received a contribution. There is no actual money in their account. Their account consists of a receivable. As of 1/1/2023, 122 participants have an account balance if you include the receivable. My thought is even though you file on a cash basis, the participants should still be counted and the plan would be audited. Is that correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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