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I'm looking for a little confirmation on what I hope are easy questions - with a lot of set-up. A control group has 9 different 401(k) plans. A few of the plans fail the ratio % test so we are going to aggregate the plans into 3 separate groups: Group 1: Plans 1, 2, 3, and 4 are not safe harbor and all have identical provisions. Group 2: Plans 5, 6, and 7 are not safe harbor and all have identical provisions (but different match than group 1). Group 3: Plans 8 and 9 are safe harbor match with identical provisions except Plan 9 also has a fixed 2% non-elective contribution. Groups 1 and 2 each pass the ratio % test for 401(k), 401(m), and 401(a) as well as ADP and ACP so we are in the clear. Group 3 passes the ratio % test for 401(k) and 401(m), but not 401(a). The only option for Group 3 is the average benefits test and it passes - if our system is running it properly. While I know the basics, I don't have a ton of experience dealing with the ABT and I'm always leery of results that I can't double-check with confidence. I know I should trust the software, but I trust the opinions of many of those who reply to this message board a little more. In the average benefits test the HCE and NHCE in Group 3 are having the EAR's calculated while all HCE and NHCE from Groups 1 and 2 are shown with a 0.00 EAR. The average EAR for all HCE is .72%. The average EAR for all NHCE is .65% so definitely more than 70% of the HCE EAR. Non-discriminatory classification seems fine - excluded employees are only those employees from companies 1-7 and the ratio % test for 401(a) was 52%. 1. With this information does it sound like our system is running this properly and all three groups pass coverage - or is this not enough information to hazard a guess? 2. I think we've aggregated the most-logical way possible but am I missing any potential problems with aggregating these 9 plans into 3 separate groups? 3. Each of these plans uses different recordkeepers, have different investment lineups, and very different fee structures. Is this a potential BRF problem?
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Hi all! The answer to this may be black and white and I apologize in advance if it has been asked before (I did my due diligence searching for the answer on here prior to posting) Basic info: 1 HCE, 13 NHCEs, multiple contrib allocation groups all of which get a contribution (no zeros), last day employment requirement so all terminees didn't get an allocation Plan passes ABPT but fails 410(b) ratio percentage at 60%. I understand that the plan can pass coverage with ABPT only, given "Reasonable Classification" was utilized in assigning allocation groups. Given the following excerpt, I would say it's okay to skip the 410(b), however one issue is not clear to me: Is giving a zero allocation to terminees due to the last day employment provision of the plan, not make a "Reasonable Classification" thus requiring us to pass the ratio test?? Thank you.
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