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We have a cash balance plan that set a termination date in September this year. We permissively aggregate the DB and DC plan each year to pass general testing. Does the plan termination date create a short plan year for the DB plan and does that now make the two plans unable to be aggregated due to differing plan years or is amending the plan to terminate 9/30/2023 not creating a short plan year for testing purposes? No assets will be distributed this year and both plans define the limitation year as the plan year. I don’t believe the regs are concrete on this scenario and that it could be interpreted as being a short plan year. But it could also be interpreted as being a short plan year only during the year when the assets are distributed not necessarily when the plan term date is effective. Secondly If the DC plan is terminated 9/30 as well, I’m thinking it would be reasonable to aggregate them under this scenario? Thank you!
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A law office has two partners, and a new associate who is in his late 30s. 3 NHCE staff are in their 20s and 60s. The new associate, who is a go-getter, got a lousy Profit Sharing contribution for 201, and was unable to benefit in the Cash Balance Plan. He is unhappy with this outcome. The partners want to keep him happy. In terms of plan design, could we: Exclude the new associate from the CB plan (he isn't benefiting anyway). Amend the DC plan to exclude the partners, and change from a cross tested allocation to a design based safe harbor, such as an integrated allocation, so that the young associate can get a larger allocation in the DC plan. If we were to do this, must we still combine the plans for 401(a)(4), or is the DC free from that requirement because it isn't subject to 401(a)(4), and the other HCEs aren't benefiting in that plan? In other words, there is no crossover between the two plans where HCEs are concerned, so does this give us some wiggle room for the young associate? By the way, the associate is not Key. Thanks!
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I am a FA and I was referred to clients of a CPA. These individuals own multiple business entities, primarily in real estate. The only EEs of all companies are the owners (parents, 60's) and their two children (30's), also owners. Ignoring control group/affiliate service for the purpose of this thread, they are interested in starting a CB or Combo plan for the purpose of defraying taxes and purchasing Real Estate. They have no interest in investing in "traditional" securities or any other assets other than RE. Aside from the the usual issues related to owning RE in a retirment plan (PTs related to income/expense flow, management, can't "contribute" RE assets, etc etc) I have a few concerns because I have never had a client with an interest in investing solely in RE in a QRP. First, I am concerned that it would, at a minimum, violate ERISA's "duty to diversify". Second, I am concerned that the IRS will view this unfavorably by default. Third, I believe that legal issues, valuation issues and related expenses may outweigh the benefits. Fourth, I am not aware of any trustees and/or custodians, apart from SD-IRA's and some uni-k's, that work with this. Has anyone else had or heard of a situation like this? Is there something else that I should also be concerned with? I will undoubtedly be reaching out this week to local TPAs and ERISA attorneys I have worked with in the past, but I am interested in some feedback from the community. Thank in advance for your responses.
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