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I am having a hard time finding how Secure 2.0 will actually impact Top Heavy. I know Top Heavy Rules were changed so now non-excludable and excludable can be tested separately and the Top Heavy minimum can also be allocated to just the non-excludable. I know the provision applies to plans starting after 12/31/2023, but we have differing thoughts on when these options will actually start affecting plans. The prevailing thought is that in order to allocate the Top Heavy minimum to just the non-excludable, the actual Top Heavy must be disagg as well. Since the determination date is the last day of the prior plan year, the consensus is we cannot use the non-excludable option for the minimum allocation until 2025. Another thought is that they are independent of each other, that you can run test with all employees but then allocate the Top Heavy minimum to just the non-excludable employees. I am of the former opinion as I do not see the benefit of using disagg for Top Heavy Test since the more Non-Key balances the better for the percentage. My thoughts are the only way it makes sense to split the test is so you can get the benefit of allocating the top heavy minimum to the non-excludable, since more likely than not there are no excludable key employees which makes the test 0%. Basically I think you have to allocate the Top Heavy Minimum in the same manner as you ran the test. Thoughts? Another thought that is confusing the issue, is what if there is a Key employee who is in the excludable test, so that test is actually top heavy? With ADP/ACP and Coverage, we know there is the option to disregard the excludable employees from the test. I haven't see that spelled out for Top Heavy as yet, and if my previous observation is accurate and there is a Key employee who is excludable and that test is technically "top heavy" does that mean that those excludable employees now need a top heavy minimum?
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A plan is on a calendar year. EE is eligible to participate on their date of hire, and the entry date is the first day of the month coinciding with or next following the date they satisfy the eligibility requirements. EE was hired on 11/25/2015 and is >21 years old. There is no termination date. Until what date are they still considered otherwise excludable based on: Option 1: The group includes participating employees who have not satisfied the IRC Section 410(a)(4) entry date period applicable to them – in other words, they are treated as otherwise excludable employees until the earlier of the first day of the next plan year after attaining age 21 and completing one year of service or 6 months after satisfying such requirements. This is the maximum waiting period under the Code. Any comments or thoughts would be much appreciated! Thanks!
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