Andy the Actuary Posted September 23, 2010 Posted September 23, 2010 We have become fans of Showtime's "The Big C," a dark comedy in which the principal character has terminal cancer. She is a teacher and has not divulged her illness to family or co-workers (she appears to have no friends!). In a recent episode, she cleaned out her 401(k) to go on a shopping spree (she bought a fire engine red Mustang). Having been born toilet trained, it occurred to me that she could not have taken (a non-hardship, and shopping spree wouldn't qualify as hardship) distribution while still employed. I'm glad they gave her the money because the car was beautiful. The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
david rigby Posted September 23, 2010 Posted September 23, 2010 If she is a govt-employed teacher, how does she have a 401(k)? (Yes, I know there are a few such plans, but very few.) I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
Andy the Actuary Posted September 23, 2010 Author Posted September 23, 2010 If she is a govt-employed teacher, how does she have a 401(k)?(Yes, I know there are a few such plans, but very few.) I had made that comment to my spousette but offered that the writers had taken the poetic license of stating 401(k) as 403(b), "tax deferred annuity," or "tax sheltered annuity" were not as commonly known. The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
Guest Sieve Posted September 23, 2010 Posted September 23, 2010 How about age 59-1/2? (I don't watch the show, so I don't know how old she is . . .) Or medical expense hardship (she lied?)? Non-deferral dollars (like match)? Poetic license?
Andy the Actuary Posted September 23, 2010 Author Posted September 23, 2010 How about age 59-1/2? (I don't watch the show, so I don't know how old she is . . .) Or medical expense hardship (she lied?)? Non-deferral dollars (like match)? Poetic license? (1) In her 40s (2) Medical hardship? No one knows about her C. (3) She cleared out her entire 401(k) account, which would include deferrals. (4) Artistic license, though some of the dialogue is poetry (As a teacher, she told one of her students to remove the stick.) (5) You should watch more TV. It is good for your soul as well as the ratings. The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
A Shot in the Dark Posted September 23, 2010 Posted September 23, 2010 I agree with the poetic license calling it a 401(k) Plan. Perhaps as a teacher, she belongs to a PERS (Public Employee Retirement System) Pension Plan that required mandatory Employee Contributions that are eligible for withdrawal after x amount of years of participation or service.
david rigby Posted September 23, 2010 Posted September 23, 2010 414(h) pick-up contributions? I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
PensionPro Posted September 23, 2010 Posted September 23, 2010 Wonder how many CE credits for watching that show ... PensionPro, CPC, TGPC
GMK Posted September 23, 2010 Posted September 23, 2010 Why all this speculation? Just check the plan document. meanwhile, isn't anybody gonna post a picture of the fire engine red Mustang? (woulda used a drooly face, but there isn't one)
Belgarath Posted September 24, 2010 Posted September 24, 2010 Was it a convertible? Even living in the Northeast, I still can't imagine why someone would buy a red Mustang hard-top rather than a convertible. But maybe my wife's yearnings for a hot red convertible have prejudiced me against the hard-tops. Those of us in the land of deep snow (especially my wife) are still hoping for a nice, affordable (like a Miata) convertible in FRONT WHEEL DRIVE. Rear wheel drive just doesn't cut it on snowy roads.
Andy the Actuary Posted September 24, 2010 Author Posted September 24, 2010 Enough, enough. Here is a photo of the Mustang you have all been pleading to see: The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
rcline46 Posted September 24, 2010 Posted September 24, 2010 Wonderful car! A grey Edsel convertible! Oh, we were thinking of a red Mustang?
Andy the Actuary Posted September 24, 2010 Author Posted September 24, 2010 Wonderful car! A grey Edsel convertible! Oh, we were thinking of a red Mustang? You're obviously color blind and don't know your cars. Look again. It's a fire-engine red Mustang! The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
david rigby Posted September 24, 2010 Posted September 24, 2010 Steve McQueen would be proud. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
GMK Posted September 24, 2010 Posted September 24, 2010 It's a fire-engine red Mustang! Wow. One of the rare models of Mustang. And a convertible! So, does the word 'actuary' come from the latin phrase: ".. well, um, that is, .. actually .."
Andy the Actuary Posted September 24, 2010 Author Posted September 24, 2010 It's a fire-engine red Mustang! Wow. One of the rare models of Mustang. And a convertible! So, does the word 'actuary' come from the latin phrase: ".. well, um, that is, .. actually .." No, actuary is a short-name for a coup which houses strange birds. The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
Tom Poje Posted September 24, 2010 Posted September 24, 2010 dang. I thought it was simply garbled speech from act-your-age
GMK Posted September 24, 2010 Posted September 24, 2010 No, actuary is a short-name for a coup which houses strange birds. and in your locale, I assume they are the beloved fire-engine red birds? (who really aren't all that strange)
Andy the Actuary Posted September 24, 2010 Author Posted September 24, 2010 and in your locale, I assume they are the beloved fire-engine red birds? Don't you mean the Dead Birds? The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
Jim Norman Posted September 24, 2010 Posted September 24, 2010 Those of us in the land of deep snow (especially my wife) are still hoping for a nice, affordable (like a Miata) convertible in FRONT WHEEL DRIVE. Rear wheel drive just doesn't cut it on snowy roads. The FIAT Barchetta would have fit the bill, not made anymore, never imported to the US, but there's talk of a spider version of the FIAT 500 which would be FWD, assuming this whole Chrysler/FIAT thing works out. Barchetta: I'm addicted to placebos. I could quit, but it wouldn't matter.
Belgarath Posted September 24, 2010 Posted September 24, 2010 Sweet, but my definition of "affordable" is unlikely to match theirs...
GMK Posted September 24, 2010 Posted September 24, 2010 OK, den. Here's one: http://media.photobucket.com/image/red%20m...r24/FireRed.jpg .. or just google 'red mustang' (what a nice way to end an otherwise also pretty nice week)
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