austin3515 Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 Plan B is merging into Plan A. The legal documents say merger is as of 12/31/2014. The assets do not move until 1/15/2015. We're reporting the transfer in on the 2014 income statement in the appropriate section, but where do we put it on the 2014 balance sheet? Other receivable? [We did this effective 12/31 to avoid a 1 day audit for Plan B]. Austin Powers, CPA, QPA, ERPA
david rigby Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 If the merger is 12/31/14, A "owns" all the assets at that date, so the Plan A Schedule H (assuming that is the relevant form) at 12/31/14 will show all the assets, and the Plan B Schedule H will show ending assets of zero. But perhaps I misunderstand your question. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
austin3515 Posted June 23, 2015 Author Posted June 23, 2015 I might have said the same thing, except that I have found auditors more likely to call it a transfer in transit, because the trust itself that comprises the plan did not possess the assets. Austin Powers, CPA, QPA, ERPA
david rigby Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 ...because the trust itself that comprises the plan did not possess the assets. I disagree. The trust and the plan are not the same thing. IMHO, there is no "transfer in transit", since any plan can have assets in more than one place. Maybe it's just me. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
jpod Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 The theory underlying this is that as of 12/31/14 the Trust for Plan B has become a Trust for Plan A (along with the original Trust for Plan A), and consequently all the assets have been moved from Plan B to Plan A by 12/31/14. Whether the DOL, IRS or your auditor will buy that theory is another matter, but if the merger resolutions and amendments were drafted appropriately I believe it is very defensible.
My 2 cents Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 ...because the trust itself that comprises the plan did not possess the assets. I disagree. The trust and the plan are not the same thing. IMHO, there is no "transfer in transit", since any plan can have assets in more than one place. Maybe it's just me. Agreed - my understanding is that, assuming that Plan A is the surviving plan after the merger, all plan assets held by Plan B as of 12/31/14 immediately prior to the merger become Plan A assets immediately after the merger. Moving them from where Plan B held them to where Plan A wants to hold them is just a transaction under the ongoing Plan A. Plan B ceased to exist on 12/31/14 when the merger took place. Always check with your actuary first!
david rigby Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 BTW, I've done this, with the "deceased" plan Form 5500 showing zero participants and zero assets at EOY. The auditor loved that approach. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
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