JJRetirement Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Client is a local government entity that has a FICA replacement plan, so employees who participate in the plan don't pay into Social Security OASDI or receive those benefits. My question is - the requirements for replacement plans are framed in terms of what the employee must receive. Is there any requirement that a replacement plan provide spousal benefits? Thanks - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJRetirement Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share Posted June 8, 2017 I should add that I have searched for any guidance indicating that spousal benefits are required, I have not found any. The question I am interested in is whether the local government and the bargaining unit could bargain away the spousal benefits that are currently in the plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Gulia Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 A local-government employer, as a political subdivision, agency, or instrumentality of the State (or of the State's political subdivision or its agency or instrumentality) has only the powers provided by State (and local) law. And a local-government employer's duties or obligations, if any, concerning collective bargaining or collective discussion, if any, is governed by State law. The employer will want its lawyers' advice on those sources of law. Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJRetirement Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share Posted June 8, 2017 Understood. But - assume that state law doesn't have any prohibition to bargaining to remove or reduce spousal benefits. Would a lack of spousal benefits affect social security exemption? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Gulia Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 In the Federal employment-tax rule, 26 C.F.R. § 31.3121(b)(7)-2 https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=7c05ec91250a858b871fea37a8379202&mc=true&node=se26.17.31_13121_2b_3_27_3_62&rgn=div8, my word-processing search found no use of the word "spouse". Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol V. Calhoun Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 There is no federal requirement that any governmental plan (Social Security replacement or otherwise) provide a spousal benefit. If such a requirement exists, it would have to come from the plan document or applicable state or local law. Employee benefits legal resource site The opinions of my postings are my own and do not necessarily represent my law firm's position, strategies, or opinions. The contents of my postings are offered for informational purposes only and should not be construed as legal advice. A visit to this board or an exchange of information through this board does not create an attorney-client relationship. You should consult directly with an attorney for individual advice regarding your particular situation. I am not your lawyer under any circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJRetirement Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share Posted June 8, 2017 Thanks. I couldn't find anything myself. The statute, regulations and Rev. Proc 91-40 are all directed at protecting the employee who is not eligible for social security benefits. Seems a little unfair sitting here now that a spouse would lose spousal benefits if the employee had a replacement plan that didn't include spousal benefits. The circumstances involve a rather long story, but the quick story is that certain spousal benefits disappeared from the written collective bargaining agreement. The mark-up shows that they were intentionally removed. However, there is some disagreement whether the change was truly bargained or if the omission was the result of a misunderstanding that those benefits duplicated those in another section. Plan administrator was looking for support that removal of these benefits was not possible because they were required in a replacement plan. I don't think there is any such support, but I do think the omission of the benefits was a drafting error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Gulia Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Here's a link to an advisory committee's report on a need to update the Treasury department's rule. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p4344.pdf Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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