Good401(k) Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 Interesting scenario, appreciate any insight: Facts: 401(a) profit-sharing plan (ER contribution only) has 6/30 fiscal year end. Plan terminated 6/30/2017. Participant balances were rolled or distributed by prior record-keeper by 12/29/2017 March 2018, it was determined that the contribution for plan years ended 6/30/15, 16, 17 may have been understated due to an error in the definition of compensation used. Questions: Generally - how does this get unscrambled? The prior accounts have been closed, the prior plan has been terminated, however, prior participants may be eligible for additional contribution. Does the corrective contribution need to go through old plan record-keeper? Can they participants receive the contribution via check? If check - would this be considered cash distribution Any looming deadlines for the contribution to be made? Any and all thoughts welcomed.
Madison71 Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 You can correct through EPCRS even though the plan is terminated
david rigby Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 21 hours ago, Good401(k) said: ... the contribution for plan years ended 6/30/15, 16, 17 may have been understated... Assuming you really mean "may", it might be prudent to eliminate any doubt first, then determine (at least approximately) how many $$ are understated. Only then would you then initiate any correction procedure. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
Luke Bailey Posted March 15, 2018 Posted March 15, 2018 Questions for Madison71 to avoid having to pore over 2016-51: 1) Given the timing, do you think this qualifies for self-correction, or since the plan terminated does this have to go in as a VCP submission. I'm thinking self-correction, but don't recall if there is anything specifically addressing one way or the other in 2016-51. 2) Since the trust no longer exists, can the employer just write the checks to the employees and "deem" them to be from a qualified plan? I think the IRS will give you that as a correction in VCP, but issue makes me waiver on whether can be done by self-correction. Luke Bailey Senior Counsel Clark Hill PLC 214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com 2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600 Frisco, TX 75034
Bob the Swimmer Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 Luke makes a good point but depending on the severity of the error and the fact that a lot of time has passed since 2015 and the fact that every balance was affected, SCP may not be available and you may have to go VCP.
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