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December 6, 2018

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buckaroo created a topic in Retirement Plans in General

Unrelated Employers and Code Section 415

My understanding has always been that the Section 415 limits are independent for a participant who works for two unrelated employers. To clarify, Employer A has a plan and the HCE participant has a $55,000 Section 415 limit for 2018 in the plan. Unrelated Employer B (no controlled group or affiliated service group) has a plan and the same HCE participant has a $55,000 Section 415 limit for 2018 in the plan. There is no combined limit. At the 2018 ASPPA conference, I was in a session that was addressing this issue and the presenter said that even if the employers are unrelated BUT there is common ownership of more than 50% between the unrelated employers, then there was a combined 415 limit. I am unable to locate anything in any of my research. Does anyone know anything about this? Did I mishear what was said? Does anyone have a reference that I can read? Is this in the EOB?
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OKC73134 created a topic in Employee Stock Ownership Plans (ESOPs)

Change of Compensation Definition for Terminating ESOP

Non-publicly traded ESOP large plan is terminating. Plan is a 12/31 year end. Plan terminating amendment was prepared by ERISA attorney who provides the document and executed by the client (6/17/18) to terminate the plan as of 6/30/18. Included in the amendment was a change in definition of compensation. It defines compensation as the 12 months immediately prior to 6/30/18 (7/1/17 -- 6/30/18), therefore, using full year compensation for the allocation. Removed the hours requirement and stated the contribution would be allocated to all eligible employees who were employed on 6/30/18 based on full year compensation. Anyone else have experience with this type of change? The 7/1/17-12/31/17 compensation was already the basis of allocation for the 2017 plan year. Can this same compensation be used as part of the basis of allocation for the 2018 plan year?
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ldr created a topic in 401(k) Plans

"Required" Minimum Distribution from New Plan (No Account Balances at 12/31/17)?

We put in a good number of brand new 401(k) plans in 2018, with effective dates of 1/1/2018. Therefore nobody in those plans had an account balance at 12/31/2017. If a 73 year-old employee made salary deferrals in 2018 to his employer's new plan and then quit during the year, must he take a RMD before 12/31/2018? What would the distribution be based upon, because there was no balance at 12/31/2017? Same issue if it was a working owner of the business: a 73 year-old owner installs a new 401(k) plan in 2018 and makes salary deferrals. He's still working at 12/31/2018, but because he's the owner, he would normally have to take a RMD by 12/31/2018. What would it be based upon, because there was no balance at 12/31/2017?
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cwallace created a topic in 401(k) Plans

Collecting Unpaid Child Support from 401(k) of Deceased Participant

I know that a QDRO can be used to collect back child support from a participant's 401k account. The participant is now deceased and the ex-spouse does not currently have a QDRO for the back child support. Another person (none of the children) is named as the beneficiary under the 401k. Can the ex go get the QDRO now, post-death, and apply it to the 401k plan and require us to hold off paying out to the beneficiary while she goes and tries to get one?
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Pammie57 created a topic in 401(k) Plans

401(a)(17) Compensation Limit for Off-Calendar Year Plan

I inherited a plan that runs 10/1/2017 through 9/30/2018. Which year determines max compensation? 2017 or 2018?
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Belgarath created a topic in Retirement Plans in General

W-2 Income Paid to Estate of Deceased Participant

Participant died mid-year. S-corp owner. Rightly or wrongly (and I have no opinion) "he" is receiving no W-2 income for 2018, but his ESTATE received a check for his accumulated wages or whatever that is being classified as W-2 income, paid to the estate. Is this compensation considered as W-2 paid to "him" for plan purposes?
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401Kerfuffle created a topic in 401(k) Plans

Participating Employer Leaving a MEP: Partial Termination?

I have a plan that's a closed MEP. The participating employers have common ownership but it's not a control group. One of the participating employers is leaving the plan, effective as of the last day of the plan year. Is this considered a partial plan termination? Should the employees who are part of the leaving employer be accelerated to 100% vesting?
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Tax Cowboy created a topic in Employee Stock Ownership Plans (ESOPs)

Allocation of Leveraged ESOP Stock

Client owns an S-Corp and sets up an S-ESOP with 20 eligible participants/employees. Value of S-ESOP stock is $20k when sold to ESOP Trust and loan is established to be paid off within 5 years. 100k shares outstanding. Assume 6 yr step vesting. ESOP Loan paid off by yr [3] TPA informs me that stock is allocated proportionately to payoff of ESOP loan. By year 4 all of the 100k stock has already been allocated to the above-referenced 20 participants. [1] What happens when 3 new employees begin work in year 4 and begin to vest by year 6? [2] How do you properly allocate shares/benefit to new employees? Is TPA correct? I'm informed by the TPA that the only way to provide a benefit to the 3 new employees is if -- and when -- the original 20 ee's retire/leave and then forfeit their allocated stock shares. At such time those retired shares (proper terminology?) can be allocated to the 3 new employees. [3] Can Plan Sponsor issue additional stock for allocation? Or is the TPA correct?
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BG5150 created a topic in Distributions and Loans, Other than QDROs

Participant Dies in Year of First Required Minimum Distribution

Participant turned 70‑1/2 this year and died in late November. His RBD is 4/1/19. Spouse wants to roll over the entire account now. I believe the RMD must be taken first. Others in my office are sticking to the RBD of 4/1 and she can roll out the entire amount. Who is correct? Cites?
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