Message Boards Digest

November 18, 2019

Here are the most recently added topics on the BenefitsLink Message Boards:

cpc0506 created a topic in 403(b) Plans, Accounts or Annuities

Church plan and allocation hours for non-elective

"We are in the process of restating a 403(b) plan for PPA. It is a Church plan. Prior AA had language that read: In order to share in non-elective and matching contribution, the Employees who normally work more than 30 hours per week are eligible for all Employer Contributions and Forfeitures Is this allowable? I understand that Church plans are not subject to discrimination testing, but are they allowed to exceed the 1,000 hours requirement to receive an allocation?"
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AJ North created a topic in 401(k) Plans

Mid Year Increase to SH Match Formula

"The SH plan in question will be increasing their match at some point during the 2020 plan year (plan year is calendar year). The match is calculated on a per payroll basis and that will not change. The plan will need to apply the new matching formula back to the first day of the plan year and re-distribute an updated SH notice. If the increase happens after the first quarter of the plan year, will the plan also need to consider providing earnings as not all of the match would be deposited on a timely basis (i.e. quarterly)? I believe that this is the EPCRS fix for late SH contributions when they are calculated on a per payroll basis but not allocated in a timely manner. I would greatly appreciate any commentary on this. Thank you."
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pgold created a topic in Distributions and Loans, Other than QDROs

Distribution From Terminated Plan

"A profit sharing plan terminated in 2019. Owner took RMD beginning of 2019 based on 2018 account balance.. Now that the plan assets are to be distributed, is it necessary for the Owner to take another RMD (distribution is being rolled over to an IRA)? When is the next RMD due , and what is it based on?"
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DDB BN created a topic in 401(k) Plans

Mortgage as an investment

"The Plan Sponsor has a DB and a 401k PS plan with individual accounts. Husband, Wife and 1 employee participate in both plans. The husband currently has an investment in his 401k account for a mortgage to an unrelated party. Repayments are made to the husband's account in the plan. The Plan Sponsor called today and would like to issue another mortgage to another unrelated party for $200,000 from both the Husband and the Wife's accounts. The Husband has approximately $990,000 in his 401k account and his Wife has approximately $400,000 in her account. (They originally wanted to invest in a mortgage of $1,000,000 between them but it seemed too over the top.) They also inquired about investing in a mortgage in the DB plan. We do not recommend real estate investments within a plan but if they wanted to proceed with this, how should they go about it? I personally think they should get an opinion from an ERISA Attorney well versed in real estate investments within a retirement plan. Any advice, opinions would be greatly appreciated."
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S. Weekley created a topic in 401(k) Plans

Terminated employee with undeposited match

"I have a terminated employee who was due an employer match after termination. The entire participant account balance was distributed prior to the match deposit and the account closed. There has been a lot of hassle trying to get an account reopened in order for the match to be deposited and then distributed to the participant. The broker is saying that the plan sponsor can just write the check directly to the participant and there is no reason to reopen the account. I have searched and searched but cannot find any guidance on how to handle this. Any thoughts or guidance would be appreciated."
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oldman63 created a topic in 403(b) Plans, Accounts or Annuities

Church Plan

"A Christian School sponsored 403(b) plan filed a 5500SF. The plan has over 100 participants. They indicated on the form they didn't purchase a fidelity bond. They have determined they are a 3121(w)(3)(a) organization and should not be covered by ERISA. What measures can they take to stop filing 5500. In addition, are they still required to perform an audit?"
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PMZJohn created a topic in Retirement Plans in General

12/31 PYE Plans getting 5558 denials for 02/28 PYE?

"Have just recently had 3 or 4 different clients who are 12/31 PYE get notices from the IRS stating that their Form 5558 for 02/28/19 has been denied. Extensions were filed for the 12/31/18 PYE for these clients, and their respective 5500s were filed timely. No extension was ever submitted for these clients for a 02/28/19 PYE. Anyone else encountering this, or am I just really lucky?"
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lmsmedley created a topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance

Loans Against Defined Benefit Plan?

"I have a lifetime defined benefit pension from a plan rated GREEN, has $3 billion in assets, and is 86% funded. Are there any lending entities who will lend against the monthly payment, if i have it contractually designated to be deposited in the lender's account each month, and back it with a term life policy?"
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Tax Cowboy created a topic in Employee Stock Ownership Plans (ESOPs)

Late ESOP Contributions?

"Group: Facts: Potential Biz Owner Client says in 2018 he started process of setting up S ESOP with effective start date of June 30, 2018. For a number of personal reasons and issues with a minority owner he has not gone through the steps. Fast forward to Nov 2019. Clients' cpa insists he can still set up S ESOP with June '18 start date.. And merely file late 5500's, pay late penalties and fees since biz owner intent was to have retirement plan set up for 2018 tax year. And I have always been under impression that retirement contributions (like ESOP'S) are due by Sept 15th of following year. Assume Client cpa and attorney create and memorialize all necessary ESOP docs with effective 2018 tax year. And late contribution made in Dec 2019 (two months past deadline). Q: Even if Biz owner intent was to set up ESOP with an effective 2018 tax year, has anyone had success arguing with an auditor of reasons for late contribution? Any case or IRC, Dept of Labor guidelines that biz owner can rely on? Thoughts and comments appreciated. Thank you Joe Dadich, Esq."
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