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October 8, 2020

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thepensionmaven created a topic in Retirement Plans in General

Eligibility for Initial Participation

"A client just asked an interesting question. If an employee was hired pre-COVID and furloughed/laid off for a spell, when would the initial one year eligibility period start? Obviously there is no break in service for a non-participant."
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Chipwood 24 created a topic in 401(k) Plans

Breaking away from a PEO MEP

"ABC Co is part of a PEO MEP and they are operating their plan as a 401(k) QACA with a 100% vesting on the first 1% of deferral and 50% on the next 5% of deferral. Prior to joining the MEP, they never had a plan. They have not had a great PEO MEP experience, and have found someone else to take over most HR duties, including payroll. They want to break away from the PEO MEP as soon as possible. They want to keep a 401(k) and simply move the assets over, but make slight changes (like adding loans, in-service, no auto enroll). They are unsure if they want to keep the same match formula or go to something different, but I think they’re leaning towards something different. We’ve reviewed the SPD, but still waiting on other documents. From the Q&A I've read in ERISAPedia, it sounds like it's very important to review the actual plan document for possible "gotcha" moments. They apparently have had issues with the Auto Deferrals and the Advisor has told us that they have removed the Auto Enroll feature at some point in 2020. We are not sure if they sent notice about that or changed the match feature, but we're assuming they did. WE don't know if this occurred in the They’d like to get this all done in 2020, but we’re running out of time. We know it would be cleaner to stay in the MEP through the end of the year, and start the new plan effective 1/1/21, but they don’t seem to want to go that route. I’ve found nothing in 2020-52 that addresses how the QACA is effected, if the Automatic Deferral feature is removed. Questions: 1. Since they removed the Auto Deferral feature, what challenges are now faced with the discrimination testing (ADP, ACP, Top Heavy)? Does it have to be done for 2020? IF so, do we use Current Year Testing? 2. If it’s determined that we have to do Current Year Testing and fail a test, how do we correct it? For example, if they fail ADP, do the refunds or QNEC have to be done/made in the PEO Plan? Or can it be done in the new Plan? 3. How important is it to review the fine print in the Plan Document to see what challenges are faced with removing itself from the MEP PEO?"
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thepensionmaven created a topic in 401(k) Plans

Excess Roth

"Owner's wife is under age 50, made total of $23K deferrals to SHNE plan. $17K to Roth, $6,000 pre-tax. Accountant asking even though Roth is not deductible, can be used to satisfy SHNE contribution. I don't see how this is permissible as document does not distinguish excess Roth v excess pre-tax."
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Peter Gulia created a topic in 403(b) Plans, Accounts or Annuities

Where are annuity contracts’ interest rates?

"For an insurance company’s fixed annuity contract (or fixed-interest element under an otherwise variable annuity contract), what is a typical credited interest rate? And for such a contract issued recently, what is a contract-guaranteed rate?"
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