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M Norton created a topic in Plan Terminations
"SH 401(k) - 3% NEC SH, for medical practice. Plan is terminating due to sudden health issues for doctor. He wants to term the plan before the end of 2022. Next-to-last payroll is 12/14/2022, last payroll would be 12/28/2022 which will include severance. Practice does not want to pay 3% NEC on severance, so wants to term before that last payroll, probably 12/16/2022. MD has comp in excess of $305K already. Will term date affect his
plan comp?"
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jireh87 created a topic in Health Plans (Including ACA, COBRA, HIPAA)
"Does anyone know whether the contributing employers of a multiemployer welfare plan are still responsible for an ESRP if they are unable to provide benefits to their full-time ees and dependents? Would the fund/contributing employers still be required to provide coverage or face penalties? I took a look at IRM 5.9.4.1 which discusses bankruptcy and insolvency and ERSP assessments, but only when a 226-J letter has been issues either
pre- or post-petition in bankruptcy. Does anyone know of any other regulations or guidance exists that discusses this topic? My initial thought is that generally an employer, including a multiemployer, is not required to offer coverage. However, if the multiemployer is an ALE and does not offer coverage to its full-time employees and their dependents, then the employer will be subject to an ESRP. According to the IRM, the ESRP excise tax can
be included as either a pre- or post-petition, depending on when the ESRP assessment is made. However, the IRM does not discuss whether a multiemployer's insolvency absolves the employers from offering the requisite coverage to its FTEs."
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Peter Gulia created a topic in 401(k) Plans
"It’s been decades since I last advised anything about a plan that uses a safe harbor for coverage and nondiscrimination. Am I right in remembering that a subaccount attributable to safe-harbor matching or nonelective contributions must be withdrawal-restricted as if it were a subaccount attributable to § 401(k) elective deferrals?"
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AFRB86 created a topic in Multiemployer Plans
"ERISA Sec. 3(37) defines a multiemployer plan as "a plan--(i)to which more than one employer is required to contribute, (ii)which is maintained pursuant to one or more collective bargaining agreements between one or more employee organizations and more than one employer, and (iii)which satisfies such other requirements as the Secretary may prescribe by regulation." There does not seem to be a
definition of what it means to be "maintained pursuant to 1 or more CBAs" in the specific context of Sec. 3(37). ERISA Sec. 3(40) excludes from the definition of a MEWA "any...plan or other arrangement which is established or maintained--(i) under or pursuant to one or more agreements which the Secretary finds to be collective bargaining agreements...." The regulations under Section 3(40) do define what it means to
be "established or maintained under or pursuant to one or more agreements which the Secretary finds to be a [CBA]." In part, this test requires that 85% of the plan's participants be covered by the CBA or CBA-adjacent. 29 CFR 2510.3-40(b). The Section 3(40) regs state multiple times that the definition therein of what it means to be established or maintained under or pursuant to one or more CBAs applies ONLY in the context of
Section 3(40). E.g., "Nothing in or pursuant to this section shall constitute a finding for any purpose other than the exception for plans established or maintained under or pursuant to one or more collective bargaining agreements under section 3(40) of ERISA." 29 CFR 2510.3-40(a). My question is: Does the definition of what it means to be "established or maintained under or pursuant to one or more collective bargaining
agreements" under the Section 3(40) regs apply to Section 3(37) for multiemployer plans? If not, is there a different definition for Section 3(37)? Thank you for any insight."
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RandallM created a topic in Form 5500
"In March I filed my 2021 solo/individual 401k's 5500-EZ through the EFAST DOL website. 3 weeks later in April I received the CP283 notice with the $150,000 penalty. It turns out I read the form wrong and entered the year 2017 and not 2021. In 2017 I was below the $250k threshold and was not obligated to file the form 5500-EZ. My first year filing was 2020. After received the CP283 I immediately phoned the IRS and an agent
suggested I amend the 2017 5500-EZ with the correct numbers and the penalties would be removed. I did amend immediately but in August received a notice of interest on the original $150k. Just in case there was some error that I was not made aware of, I mailed form 4506 today requesting a copy of my 2017 form 5500-EZ but there was no way to say I want the amended copy. I've been working with the IRS's Taxpayer Advocate Service (TAS)
for a few months now to resolve the mistake. My latest phone call with TAS was that the IRS was still making a determination but we would likely need to go through appeals. I've read online that I need to wait to appeal until after receiving a 'statutory notice of deficiency'. But everything I read online associates this with 1040's.... I plan to work with a firm to represent me in appeals if the IRS determines against
me. - Should I still mail form 843 like it shows on the IRS page? (https://www.irs.gov/individuals/understanding-your-cp283-notice)The TAS never mentioned this form to me.
- Was the fact that I accidentally, but voluntarily, filed 2017 late still subject me to the late filing penalty, even if I was not obligated to file?
- Does anyone have any other suggestions?
I'm hitting walls at every turn. I
don't understand how entering the wrong year can result in owing $150,000. It's easily proven that it was a mistake.... the numbers I entered match my statements for 2021 not 2017. Actual people at the IRS have read my letter of the facts and received 401k statements. It's still possible they rule in my favor but my TAS agent didn't sound hopeful. Thank you for any advice."
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Peter Gulia created a topic in Distributions and Loans, Other than QDROs
"Many § 401(a)-(k), § 403(b), and governmental § 457(b) plans distinguish between participant loans with a repayment period no more than five years and those used to acquire the participant’s principal residence. If a participant’s request for a loan asks for a repayment period more than five years: Does a plan’s administrator (or a service provider acting for it) accept the participant’s
written statement, made under penalties of perjury, that the loan will be used to acquire the participant’s principal residence? Or, does a plan’s administrator require some evidence independent of the participant’s statement? If so, what substantiation does an administrator or its service provider require? A mortgage commitment? A purchase agreement? Something else? If a plan’s procedure requires independent
evidence, does this mean a claim must be submitted in paper form? Or does a service provider’s software allow uploading pdf files for the independent evidence? In your experience, what percentage of plans process a principal-residence loan by relying on the participant’s written statement, seeking no independent evidence?"
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BG5150 created a topic in Distributions and Loans, Other than QDROs
"Participant had 2021 402(g) excess of 1,000. At time of distribution there was $20 in earnings. The IRS says it's taxable in both years. (I knew that). But it also says BOTH amounts are reportable on a 1099-R. I thought just the 2022 amount is reported on a 1099-R (basis and the earnings), but the 2021 overage would be taken care of on the 1040 using the W2. Here's what the IRS site says: Under Revenue Procedure 2021-30,
Appendix A, section .04, the permitted correction method is to distribute the excess deferral to the employee and to report the amount as taxable both in the year of deferral and in the year distributed. These amounts are reported on Forms 1099-R. In the case of amounts designated as Roth contributions, the excess deferral will already have been reported in income in the year of deferral. However, the amount will be reported
as taxable in the year distributed."
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Belgarath created a topic in Employee Stock Ownership Plans (ESOPs)
"Interesting question arose from out in the wide world, and I don't know much about ESOP's. Suppose you have an S-corporation, where the document clearly states that all distributions must be in cash. Seems straightforward enough. So if the corporation RETIRES shares (as opposed to repurchasing them) when someone terminates employment, there's still no share distribution to the participant, right? So that no NUA
calculation would apply, even if there is a lump sum distribution? Isn't the net effect (to the participant) the same, whether shares are retired or repurchased - i.e. the participant never receives ownership of the shares, so there is no "put" option, and the participant just receives cash, as required under the terms of the document?"
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thepensionmaven created a topic in 401(k) Plans
"We administer a 401K Plan has owner and spouse as participants as well as rank-and-file. Husband died 5 years ago and his account is still open. Fund-holder will not permit rollover of deceased participant's account into spouse's. I do not see why not; when I asked the fund-holder (in this case Voya), all they could tell me is 'no..we can't do that.' I see no reason why not. Am I missing something or is just that
Voya will be losing out on a fee?"
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Centerstage created a topic in 409A Issues
"Prior to acquisition, target company is correcting the Release timing language in Executives' Change in Control ("CIC") Agreements that pay a lump sum within a set time period after involuntary termination within 6 months after a CIC, (subject to delivery of a Release, with no time limit for delivery of the Release, and no language that the payment for such termination won't be made if the Release is not delivered
within a set time) by having the Executives sign, before Closing, an Amendment stating that the Release has to be delivered, and irrevocable, within a set number of days after involuntary termination within six months after CIC, and if it is, lump sum will be paid on last day of the time period, and if it is not, lump sum is forfeited. For an Amendment like that, which seems to fit Section VI of IRS Notice 2010-06, for 409A corrections, is
everyone (or anyone) still sending the Notice to the taxpayer/service provider/Executive the following January, and still attaching the Notice to the service recipient's tax return, as Section XII of Notice 2010-06 requires for Section VI corrections? So difficult to explain to client (employer) and taxpayer (Executive) that putting this Release language in an Amendment means we need to send these lengthy, nearly incomprehensible Notices
next year. Just wondering if anyone else is actually doing this?"
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