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SCooper created a topic in Plan Terminations
"We have a cash balance plan that set a termination date in September this year. We permissively aggregate the DB and DC plan each year to pass general testing. Does the plan termination date create a short plan year for the DB plan and does that now make the two plans unable to be aggregated due to differing plan years or is amending the plan to terminate 9/30/2023 not creating a short plan year for testing purposes? No assets will be
distributed this year and both plans define the limitation year as the plan year. I don’t believe the regs are concrete on this scenario and that it could be interpreted as being a short plan year. But it could also be interpreted as being a short plan year only during the year when the assets are distributed not necessarily when the plan term date is effective. Secondly If the DC plan is terminated 9/30 as well, I’m thinking it would be
reasonable to aggregate them under this scenario? Thank you!"
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30Rock created a topic in 401(k) Plans
"I am revising my question. I have Plan A merging into Plan B 12/31/23. Plan A has 4 year graded vesting - less than 2 years 0%, 2 years - 30%, 3 years - 60%, 4 years - 100%. Plan A will merge into successor plan B which has 5 year graded vesting - less than 1 year 0%, 1 year - 20%, 2 years - 40%, 3 years - 60%, 4 years - 80%, 5 years - 100%. For contributions accrued as of 12/31/23, I have to give participants with 3 or more years of
service the right to elect to remain on the old schedule correct? What about participants with less than 3 years - can the old schedule continue to apply to accrued benefits even though the new schedule is better at year 1 and year 2? I am looking at the IRS example where they recommend a graded 3 year schedule even for a 0% vested participant in the accrued benefit. Please let me know your thoughts! Change in Plan Vesting Schedules |
Internal Revenue Service (irs.gov)"
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TGIF created a topic in 401(k) Plans
"A large Company’s pay date is Friday. The Company 401k contributions can be reasonably segregated on Friday. Current practice for contributions is a wire order entered on Thursday and executed on Friday, so that the money is pulled from the Company general assets on Friday and the amounts are allocated to participant accounts on Friday before the market close. Recordkeeper offers a new ACH process. Under the new ACH process, Recordkeeper
will initiate the ACH process on Friday and will allocate the contribution amounts to participant accounts on that same Friday before the market deadline. Participants will receive market earnings for Friday. However, the ACH process pulls the funds from the Company on the next business day. Thus, the contribution amount is pulled from the Company’s general assets on Monday. Recordkeeper allocates the funds to participants on Friday when the
ACH is initiated even though the funds are not pulled from the Company until Monday. Recordkeeper says this is a common industry practice (to allocate contributions to participants before the contributions are actually remitted to the trust). Is this process OK? Do most recordkeepers allocate the amounts to participant accounts before the funds are actually remitted to the trust? It appears to be an interest-free loan from the recordkeeper
to the plan sponsor (party-in-interest to party-in-interest). Recordkeeper says that if the Company does not make payment when the ACH pulls the funds on the next business day, they will simply reverse the transaction/allocations under the mistake of fact provision. We can't find any guidance on loans between parties in interest. Does this violate ERISA? Other concerns? Or is this a common practice/no worries?"
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Dougsbpc created a topic in Retirement Plans in General
"We administer a Safe Harbor 401(k) plan sponsored by a partnership with 15 physicians and 5 nhces. The 3% safe harbor employer contribution is provided only to nhces and hce non-keys. The issue here is that every year, one of the 5 nhces become a partner (often with less than a 5% interest). The odd thing is that these partners are often considered nhces because the prior year they were an employee making $80k. This would then force the
less than 5% partners to fund their own 3% safe harbor contributions as well as at least an additional 2% employer contribution to meet the minimum gateway. With this odd scenario happening, the managing partner wondered if they could have language in their partnership agreements indicating that any partner nhce will be responsible to fund their own safe harbor and other employer contributions"
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ERISA-Bubs created a topic in Distributions and Loans, Other than QDROs
"We have a typical situation where a participant went delinquent on his loan. We would normally correct by reamortizing the loan over the remainder of the loan term, but in this case, the loan term (which is the statutory term) is recently expired. According to EPCRS, if the statutory loan term is expired, the loan should be treated as a deemed distribution, not corrected according to the correction procedure. The problem is, we are a big
cause of the delinquency. The 401(k) Plan under which the loan was granted was terminated (in connection with the employer/plan sponsor being acquired). The purchaser in the transaction is allowing all plan loans under the 401(k) Plan to be transferred to the purchaser's plan. Payment of loans was put on hold during the transition, the loan went into default, and now the loan term is expired. The Loan currently sits in the purchaser's plan,
in default, and now past its term. Is there anything we can do?"
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Bcompliance2003 created a topic in Health Plans (Including ACA, COBRA, HIPAA)
"A US based employer has an employee who is working abroad; the employee quits and is remaining in that foreign country to live. - What are our client's obligations in terms of offering coverage to this employee, considering their current international residence?
- Does the issuance of a COBRA rights letter in this scenario entail any legal or compliance risks for our client, given the employee's non-U.S. residency?
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there any specific steps our client should take to rectify this situation and ensure compliance with both U.S. and international regulations?
Thank you!"
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rbridges created a topic in 401(k) Plans
"It's a small business with 10 employees. I spoke with my possible future advisor, and she said I had to merge the funds from my simple into the 401k. Can I not just keep the funds where they are and start a new 401k? I've read some rules, but I'm not clear. It says you employer cannot have any other retirement plans. I would only have one active retirement plan, but two accounts where funds are located. She works for ascensus, but I want to
make sure she is correct. Thanks!"
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Dobber created a topic in 409A Issues
"I received an inquiry regarding taxation of distribution (more specifically ways to defer taxation) from a non qualified deferred comp plan (409a) - I have limited experience working with these plans. However, I have what I think is a straightforward question What strategies are available (if any) to defer taxation from a plan distribution? I am aware a IRA rollover is not permitted. Thank you in advance"
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Old Reliable created a topic in 401(k) Plans
"We administer an Owners Only 401k plan. Contributions for 2022 were $20,500 to Roth 401k and $40,500 in after-tax voluntary contributions. Participant now wants to do an in-plan conversion of after-tax voluntary contribution to a Roth account. 1) How should this transaction documented? Does the plan issue a 1099-R showing a total distribution of the current after-tax balance, with only the earnings portion as taxable ? 2) Assets are held a
Schwab. Does a separate sub-account need to be set-up for the various types of in-plan conversions e.g., after tax, employer match, profit sharing etc. or can they all be "lumped" into one account? Thank you"
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