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August 2, 2024

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Lou81 created a topic in Plan Terminations

Change Address on Final 5500 After Business Is Sold

"I have a plan that has terminated. The owner retired and sold the business. Preparing the final 5500. Do we need to change the address on the 5500 to the home address of the plan sponsor or leave as is (which is the company address)?"

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AlbanyConsultant created a topic in Retirement Plans in General

ASG for Doctors and Surgery Center?

"Got a call today from an eye doc who owns 100% of his practice (which will be an LLC taxed as a sole prop starting in 2024; previously it was an S-corp where he owned 100%), looking to put in a new plan. He also owns ~21% of a surgery center where he performs all his surgeries (so I would say that, yes, he refers his business there). This immediately made me think of ASG.

Doc is convinced that this isn't a problem. 'The other doctors/owners of the surgery center have plans that cover only their practices and not the surgery center employees, so I'm sure it's fine.' Without meaning to disparage any other potential TPAs working on those plans, I think I'll look at it with fresh eyes....

So, we don't have a management ASG. Good. For a B-Org, I don't know the relative revenue numbers, but I'll assume that if my doc owns 20%+, it means his revenue is at least 10% of the practice. I suppose you could argue if the surgery center employees perform services that were 'historically' done by a doctor's office; I might argue they were historically done at a hospital. I think the A-Org argument is even stronger, as they are definitely 'regularly associated'.

Oh -- and of course doc owns his building as a R/E LLC.... and his brother owns a lens shop in the building. 'I don't specifically refer people there; they can go anywhere.... but I tell them it's easy to go right across the hall to get their prescription filled.' I think that is separated enough to not be a problem.

I know that the best answer is 'consult with an ERISA attorney', and that will be my ultimate recommendation. But I want to at least see if it can be ruled out so we don't waste our efforts and resources going down that direction if it's clearly NOT one. Is that what I've got here?"

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Tom created a topic in 403(b) Plans, Accounts or Annuities

What Is the Latest Required Restatement?

"We file one 5500 for a 403(b) plan. It is long frozen. I asked for their IRS Opinion letter. They provided me one with an approval date of 8/7/2017. This does not seem current. Does anyone know?"

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