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Hard pressed to think of a worse idea. The generous sentiment is nice but think of a better way of doing it outside the Plan.2 points
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Is Interest On Late Contributions Needed?
Bill Presson and one other reacted to EBP for a topic
In my opinion, you need to have more to go on than "the market was down." Have the client or investment institution provide you with the rate of interest those participants would have received had the matching contributions been invested in their accounts (assuming participants give investment direction, those rates would likely be different for each participant). It's possible (although maybe not likely) that one participant was invested in a very conservative investment vehicle and had a small positive return. If all of those accounts had investment losses, the safest thing to do may be to not allocate interest on the late matching contributions (rather than reducing the matching contributions for the loss, although there may be validity to that argument). There's no requirement to allocate interest if there is none. We have done a few corrections where we did not include interest because of negative returns during the period of failure. We always document an EPCRS correction with a memo to the file that describes the failure; gives a detailed description of what we did to correct the failure, including the process, calculations, and other considerations, if any; and recites which sections of EPCRS we relied on in making the correction. And we attach any pertinent calculations or documentation (such as something showing what the interest rates were for each person). This is very helpful for the client to have in case of audit so they can show that they appropriately fixed an operational failure. It's also helpful in cases where there are personnel changes in a company and the new people are trying to figure out what their predecessors did.2 points -
Start up 401k wants to include sub contractors
ugueth and one other reacted to C. B. Zeller for a topic
In order to be a qualified plan, the plan must be maintained for the exclusive benefit of the employees of the employer and their beneficiaries. A contractor, by definition, is not an employee, and they can not participate in a plan maintained by the employer.2 points -
Because this is a 402(g) issue, I would suggest following the EPCRS correction that specifically addresses section 402(g) failures, which is generally to process a corrective distribution. There is some complication because the 402(g) issue resulted from the participant's failure (failing to coordinate between multiple employers' withholdings) rather than a plan administrative error, but I don't think that changes the correction approach endorsed under EPCRS. I note, however, that EPCRS does not address the correction for a plan administrative failure whereby more is withheld from a participant's paycheck than the participant elects (within the 402(g) limit). In that context, it would make sense to analogize to the 402(g) correction and process a corrective distribution. However, an arguably more conservative correction approach would be to move the excess amounts to a forfeiture account and have the employer pay the employee the error amounts plus earnings on the side (e.g., through payroll), based on the EPCRS general principle that a correction should generally keep assets in the plan, when possible, while still placing the participant in the position they would have been in had no failure occurred.1 point
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RMDs and Rehire
ugueth reacted to C. B. Zeller for a topic
ARA actually asked for clarification on this question (re-hire prior to RBD) in their comment letter on the recently-proposed RMD regulations. It remains to be seen if it will be addressed in the final regulations. The safest thing to do would be to make the distribution anyway, since the penalty is so steep.1 point -
I don't believe this would be a prohibited transaction (requiring deposit of lost earnings and payment of excise tax under sec. 4975) since the employer is not getting any use of the plan assets, like they would if they had held on to the actual contributions. Instead it sounds like the participants' investment selections are not being honored. What happens in that case is I think you have an ERISA 404(c) failure, the consequence of which is that the fiduciary is no longer insulated from the participants' investment choices. Potentially the participants could sue the trustee if they had a loss caused by failing to follow their investment instructions.1 point
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The plan asset regulations depend on whether the money is held in the trust, not whether it has been invested according to a participant's investment direction. If you have not violated the plan document, then you don't have a compliance problem. Note that the trustee repeatedly investing money in cash for a few days each payroll period will not comply with ERISA 404(c), so it may lead to employer liability.1 point
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Prohibited Transaction-son of trustee as investment advisor on 401(k) plan
Jakyasar reacted to Peter Gulia for a topic
While I advise no one, a fiduciary might want his, her, or its lawyer’s advice to consider these and related points: If the only tension were that an investment adviser gets compensation for its services, ERISA § 408(b)(2) might exempt that prohibited transaction. But if a service arrangement involves a fiduciary’s self-dealing, the self-dealing act is a separate prohibited transaction. 29 C.F.R. § 2550.408b-2(e)(1); accord 29 C.F.R. § 2550.408b-2(f) example 6 (about father and son). “Thus, a fiduciary may not use the authority, control, or responsibility which makes such person a fiduciary to cause a plan to pay an additional fee to such fiduciary (or to a person in which such fiduciary has an interest which may affect the exercise of such fiduciary’s best judgment as a fiduciary) to provide a service.” 29 C.F.R. § 2550.408b-2(e)(1) (emphasis added). A fiduciary’s recusal might not get rid of the conflict unless none of the remaining fiduciaries has any personal interest in pleasing the father or otherwise to select the son. https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-29/subtitle-B/chapter-XXV/subchapter-F/part-2550/section-2550.408b-2 If the plan’s fiduciaries (preferably those other than the father) sincerely believe that the son might be the investment adviser that would be selected on the merits, those fiduciaries might engage an independent fiduciary to evaluate investment-adviser candidates and select the plan’s investment adviser. Yet, a fiduciary would do so only if the plan’s expense for the independent fiduciary’s service would be no more than a prudently incurred expense needed to serve the plan’s exclusive purpose.1 point -
NHCE only 401(k) Profit sharing plan discrimination
Bill Presson reacted to MWeddell for a topic
Generally, the answer is yes (and I agree with the preceding post). You still would want to be cautious about excluding temporary employees or anything similar that makes it look as if the plan is imposing an eligibility service condition greater than that allowed by Code Section 410(a).1 point -
Start up 401k wants to include sub contractors
Bri reacted to C. B. Zeller for a topic
It seems to me that this is asking for trouble. The employer above apparently wants to do something akin to payroll withholding for the contractors. For example, if contractor M elects a 5% contribution, and for a given week the employer pays them $1,000 in non-employee compensation, the employer wants to instead pay them $950 and contribute $50 to the plan, plus maybe another $40 as a match - seems simple, right? Even if M did join the employer's MEP as a participating employer, this would still not be correct, since $1,000 is not M's plan compensation - if M is unincorporated, then it is just the starting point for calculating M's net earned income; if M is incorporated then their comp is their W-2 which may have no relation to the $1,000 at all. It gets even messier when you consider that the contractors probably have other work besides this particular employer. Assuming the contractor is operating as a sole prop, is all of their income from all of their other work now subject to the contribution election and match? I would think it would have to be, unless you could write up a very specific definition of comp to somehow exclude it. Who is going to make sure it is calculated correctly? Do the contractors know they will have to submit their schedules C? And what if they end up having a net loss (and consequently $0 comp and $0 415 limit) after the employer made contributions on their behalf? The administration on this would be cumbersome to put it mildly. And what if the contractor hires employees? I applaud the employer's desire to offer retirement savings via payroll deduction to his people - studies have shown this is one of the most effective ways for workers to save for retirement. It really does say a lot about this employer that he wants to provide this benefit. Unfortunately the current tax law is not set up to help him do it easily.1 point -
How to predict date met eligibility
MDCPA reacted to C. B. Zeller for a topic
What notice are you referring to in particular? Retirement plan participants are required to receive a number of notices at various times and each of those notices has slightly different timing requirements. While most notices have a latest date on which they may be provided, not all have an earliest date—meaning that you can sometimes just provide the notice when the employee is hired and call it good. The service requirement is 175 hours over what period of time? A month? 3 months? A year? And what is the entry date once they satisfy the service requirement? You said the plan is using the counting-hours method, does it have an hours equivalency provision? What happens if the participant does not meet the hours requirement during their initial eligibility computation period?1 point -
Start up 401k wants to include sub contractors
ugueth reacted to Peter Gulia for a topic
Might your inquirer consider a multiple-employer plan under which a contractor might be a participating employer?1 point -
From the IRS Form 5304 model SIMPLE: V. Duration of Election This salary reduction agreement replaces any earlier agreement and will remain in effect as long as I remain an eligible employee under the SIMPLE IRA plan or until I provide my Employer with a request to end my salary reduction contributions or provide a new salary reduction agreement as permitted under this SIMPLE IRA plan. As long as the employee remains eligible, his/her latest election should continue and there is no need to re-enroll unless the employee is making a change.1 point
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NHCE only 401(k) Profit sharing plan discrimination
Bri reacted to Bill Presson for a topic
Yes. In fact, you could set up a plan to just cover a single NHCE and have no testing. We have done things like this quite often for fast food operations, etc. The owners aren't worried about participating, so we exclude them (and all other HCEs if they have any) and cover only the managers and assistant managers at each location. Generally those people are paid pretty well, but don't qualify as HCEs.1 point -
FICA Alt Plan and Excess Contribution
JOH reacted to Carol V. Calhoun for a topic
Another alternative to look at is simply to leave the money in the plan, but determine that the employee is not entitled to it. The money could then be offset against the employer's next contribution obligation. So long as there are other employees entitled to receive contributions, this would have the same financial effect as giving the money back to the employer, without the problematic issues that come up when you actually take money out of the plan.1 point
