Company A was part of a controlled group with Company B. Company A ee's were part of Company B's 401k plan.

Company A was purchased by Company C mid year. Comapny C currently holds a Simple IRA Plan. The total number of ee's from Co C and the acquired number of ee's from Co A will not exceed 100.

Since Co A no longer exists and are now ee's of Co C, doesnt Co A need to stop contributing to Co B's 401k plan? Zero common ownership between Co B and C.

Does Co C need to or required to immediately offer the Co C Simple plan to the former ee's of Co A or do they need to wait until the new plan year? Is there any holding period before Company C is required to offer any type plan to Company A ee's?

Thank you in advance for any help.

I live in AZ and I was currently in a flex plan with my employer and was laid off in July. The employer (corp in MN) did not have more than 20 employees last year so I am not eligble for COBRA for the remaining balance that is left in the flex account. How can I recop the balance that is left in my account?

The 2008 990 asks some new questions related to tax-exempt entities including governance and policies of the organization such as "conflict of interest" and "whistleblower" policies. These questions do not seem particularly relevant to medical/health plans exempt under 501©(9) as opposed to a 501©(3) or other tax-exempt organization. How are these questions being answered for VEBA's like a medical/health plan in that Part VI and in schedule O? I'm inclined to just state "not applicable" on schedule O for many of the questions.

What is the prevalence of an automatic enrollment for new hires prior to match eligibility, such as auto-enrolled after 90 days of hire but the match eligibility doesn't begin until 6 mos or 1 year of service?

This thread is also on QDRO board but that board is very quiet.

I prepared a 2 page QDRO. It is essentially a basic word document that provides all the necessary information that s/b contained in a QDRO.

I was hired by the two spouses. That is, they agreed to use me.

My question is: Is t his sufficient? That is, does the QDRO have to be in some fancy legal format, like that of a lawsuit, or is this simple presentation allowed?

My understanding is that the draft QDRO, if agreed by the two divorcing spouses is then presented to a judge who approves the division of assets as a domestic relations order. Of course the plan administrator has to determine that it satisfies the rules to be a qualified DRO.

Then once that is all complete the two spouses sign off on the QDRO and it can be executed.

Is that a correct uunderstanding?

Thanks.

Has anyone heard anything from the IRS on whether the Section 125 regulations will be finalized this year? They were supposed to be issued in final form by mid-year, but it is getting late to issue final regs with a 1/1/2010 effective date. Thanks for any updates you can provide.

I prepared a 2 page QDRO. It is essentially a basic word document that provides all the necessary information that s/b contained in a QDRO.

I was hired by the two spouses. That is, they agreed to use me.

My question is: Is t his sufficient? That is, does the QDRO have to be in some fancy legal format, like that of a lawsuit, or is this simple presentation allowed?

My understanding is that the draft QDRO, if agreed by the two divorcing spouses is then presented to a judge who approves the division of assets as a domestic relations order. Of course the plan administrator has to determine that it satisfies the rules to be a qualified DRO.

Then once that is all complete the two spouses sign off on the QDRO and it can be executed.

Is that a correct uunderstanding?

Thanks.

I'm dealing with my first client to use HCTC through the TAA. My question is whether a participant can use the ARRA subsidy on dental and vision while enrolled in the HCTC program for health. I can't really think of a reason why not, but I'm having trouble finding ANY information on it. Can anyone offer any guidance? Thanks!

At the very end of 2008, we merged two small DB plans into the big receiving DB plan. This question has to do with how to complete the Schedule SSA of the receiving plan for 2008...when a participant has a deferred vested benefit in one of the transferee plans with a previously reported amount (monthly life annuity at nrd) and also has a deferred vested benefit in the receiving plan which has previously been reported. We know that on the 2008 Schedule SSA of the receiving plan, we'll use a Code "C" to show the participant was previously reported under another plan but will be receiving his/her benefits from the receiving plan instead. That also requires we show the previous sponsor's EIN and plan number.

A (the) question is whether we should also have a second entry for the participant on the 2008 Schedule SSA using a Code "B" with an entry in items (d),(e) and (f) of the Schedule SSA whereby we add the monthly life annuity amount at nrd from the transferring plan with the monthly life annuity amount from the receiving plan at nrd...as both plans express the benefit in the form of a life annuity (monthly) at nrd...and put that value in item (f). Unless I overlooked it, I don't see detailed guidance on this in the 2008 Form 5500 Instructions (Sch. SSA). While it seems the rational thing to do, I have some concern that the SSA will err by double counting the benefit and we have to deal with explaining that to a participant who seeks his/her benefit.

In the 2008 Schedule SSA Instructions, there is a section called "Revising Prior Report" that states "Use Schedule SSA to report revisions to pension information for a participant you reported on a previous Schedule SSA. This will ensure that SSA's records are correct. This is important since SSA provides Schedule SSA information that it has on file to participants when they file for Social Security Benefits. If this information is not up-to-date, the participant may contact the plan administrator to resolve the difference". Maybe this means we should do as noted in the second paragaph of this post.

I'd appreciate any thoughts/guidance...perhaps some of you have prior experience with a similar situation. Thanks.

A required minimum distribution was not timely distributed from a 401k plan for a plan participant. The plan sponsor filed VCP requesting a waiver of the excise tax for the participant. If IRS does not respond before the participant has to file his/her taxes, what should he/she do? From what I've read, it seems that if the sponsor files VCP and pays the filing fee, the excise tax is waived. Can anyone confirm this?

I was wondering if there was some sort of a survey as to what people are charging for the restatements.

Prototype vs non-prototype and DC vs DB.

I've held off doing the majority of my restatements as I do not want to under- or over-price myself out of the market.

Is there some sort of a range that people are charging?

One of my employees worked for a company with a SIMPLE plan. He is due the matching contribution for 2008. Is my understanding correct that the employer has until the corporate tax filing due date to make the contribution, including extensions? Is the last date then September 15, 2009?

The employee had asked for a copy of the plan's SPD and was told none exists. Is a plan document and/or SPD required for such plans?

Thanks

We have a COBRA client and the carrier has a 4 tier rate: employee only, employee + child, employee + spouse, employee + family.

The employer is charging the employees different amounts for the premium based on whether or not the employee/or spouse uses tobacco.

They are pretaxing this premiums through their pop plan.

For example, employer pays 100% of employee only for non-smoker, and 85% of the employee only rate if the employee smokes.

What sort of discrimination testing would you have to do for that?

a calendar year 403(b) has a QNEC rescinded during 2009 plan year. i assume they will have to do full Form 5500.

My question is if they remain deferral only in 2010 and on, will they be exempt from 5500 filing?

A trust holds assets used to provide medical benefits under a self-funded mredical reimbursement plan of the Company, a 501©(3) organization. Trust has a determination letter from IRS classifying it as a 501©(3) organization as well. The trust holds the investments and receives contributions from the Company. How do I determine if Trust must file Form 5500 as well? I'm looking at 5500 instructions, but need some help with this. Many thanks.

We have received our renewal information for our self-funded health insurance plan.

We have a Section 125 Document. This document states it is effective Jan. 1, 2009. We also offer a flexible spending account (health & dependent care) and a dental plan. Our Flex & Dental Plans are both calendar year. Our Health Plan is 10/01 to 9/30. We would like to change our Health Plan to a Calendar Year so we can do Open Enrollment at one time for our benefits.

We are looking at a one time 15-month Plan Year (10/01/09 thru 12/31/2010) and then it would be run on a calendar year basis after that.

I don't believe we have to amend our Section 125 Plan because it only refers to the "Plan Year" with no specific mention of our current Healtn Insurance plan year. The Summary Plan Document has an Attachment A included which does have the beginning of the plan year (example: Health, 10/01) I believe we can just change this attachment with no problems.

Is there anything else I should be aware of before we change this?

Thanks for your help!

I'm pretty sure we have PEO issues here, but needs some confirmation. I dont think we have ASG or management group issues.

8 doctor PC group.

The docs have contracts with hospital and with national doctor group to perform physician services.

All staff of PC group provided by national doctor group and/or hospital.

Docs of PC own 0% of hospital and 0% of national doctor group.

Assume docs of PC bring in very tiny % of overall revenue of national doctor group in total.

Docs currently part of national doctor group plan ( i assume multiple employer plan but not 100% certain).

Docs want to have plan of their own just for 8 docs.

I dont think it'll fly since it would be hard to argue that the staff are not "employed" by the PC group since i'm sure the PC group is giving staff the direction on what they need to do on daily basis. I just cant see that we'd be able to exclude staff for purposes of 410b.

Agree?

ESOP Cost basis after S Election

What happens to the ESOP cost basis of shares owned after an S election?

As a C corporation the distributions reported on 1099-R showed an ordinary income amount for the cost basis amount and a capital gain on the appreciated value.

If the S election changes ESOP distributions to "cash only" distributions do the old long-term employees with much appreciation lose the capital gain treatment of their holdings? With the S election are they now required to categorize their distributions as ordinary income? Or do we still need to track the cost basis of their shares as an S corp owned ESOP?

Thank You in advance,

TW

Years ago when Congress was quiet and the PBGC was not suffering, the general session at the EA meeting dealt with professional ethics. I remember conjuring up a scenario but never took it anywhere.

Suppose you are representing client A who is purchasing client B. Client B has an underfunded DB plan and your task is to determine how much Client B should compensate A in the purchase transaction for A to assume the pension plan liabilities. You scratch your head and recall about 7-8 years ago you did a similar study for client C who was purchasing client D and would merge D's plan into C's plan. Both C and D were multi-zillion dollar companies. So, you review the old study and low and behold you determine that D had a subsidy that you had failed to value appropriately. Your recalculation showed that Client C should have gotten another $10 million.

Now, some more tantalizing facts: You are a small company and your E&O limit is $5. You don't haappen to have the other $5 million laying around so that full restitution would bankrupt you and your 4 children in private schools would be doomed to a public school education, plus even after selling your house, your wife would have to start doing her nails herself. Client C has shown record profits since purchasing client D. Client C has also referred you to a number of clients as they were highly satisfied with your efforts on the acquisition. You are stilll the actuary for client C and miraculously, C's AFTAP as of 1/1/2009 was 115%.

What would you do?

What happens to the ESOP cost basis of shares owned after an S election?

As a C corporation the distributions reported on 1099-R showed an ordinary income amount for the cost basis amount and a capital gain on the appreciated value.

If the S election changes ESOP distributions to "cash only" distributions do the old long-term employees with much appreciation lose the capital gain treatment of their holdings? With the S election are they now required to categorize their distributions as ordinary income? Or do we still need to track the cost basis of their shares as an S corp owned ESOP?

Thank You in advance,

TW