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    QDRO Says AP Must Begin Payments

    mal
    By mal,

    Participant (P) and Alternate Payee (AP) have gone through a bitter divorce. She was awarded a separate interest in a DB plan along with hefty spousal support. The QDRO is drafted to require AP to begin receiving payments no later than the date P actually retires.

    P is sick of paying "outrageous" child support and is advised by counsel to retire since the payments from the Plan to AP will reduce P's spousal support obligation.

    Plan contacts AP and sends her election forms. AP tells Plan to pound sand and that she won't sign anything. P and AP are both going back to court over this issue, but how should the Plan respond? I would assume that she will be entitled to the benefit payments (without interest) at a later date, but I'm not certain of this.

    Input is appreciated.


    AFTAP Calculation Questions

    tuni88
    By tuni88,

    We have a calendar year plan and our actuary certified last week that our 2007 AFTAP is 70% after having to forfeit a portion of our funding standard credit balance. It would have beeen 67.2% without using some of the credit balance. He used values from the 1/1/07 actuarial valuation report to make this calculation and says he won't be able to calculate the 2008 AFTAP until this summer.

    I'm thinking I may be able to make a rough estimate of the 2008 AFTAP myself because included in the materials that came with the 2007 actuarial report was a benefit payout projection for the next 75 years and I know what is the value of assets as of 1/1/08. I think I should really be working with an updated benefit payout projection, but is the following a valid approach?:

    1. Select the 3 segment rates. [Can someone tell me what are the 3 rates?]

    2. Discount to 1/1/08 the expected payouts in year 1 thru 5 (2008 thru 2012) using the rate for segment 1.

    3. Discount the expected payouts in year 6 thru 20 (2013 thru 2027) back to year 5 using the segment 2 rate and then discount that result for 5 years using the segment 1 rate. [Or do I use the segment 2 rate for all 20 years?]

    4. Similar approach for years 2028 to the end of 74 years.

    5. We didn't use all of the credit balance so can I use what's left for the 2008 calculation if neeed?

    Is this approach too 'simple' to be valid as a rough estimate?


    Small Plan Interest Rate Alternative

    Andy the Actuary
    By Andy the Actuary,

    Star Light Star bright,

    The first star I see tonight,

    I wish I may, I wish I might,

    Have the wish I wish tonight.

    The attached letter was submitted to the IRS regarding their 12-28-2007 proposed regulation on "Measurement of Assets and Liaiblities for Pension Funding Purposes."

    LW032808a_Comments_to_IRS_on_12_28_2008_Proposed_Regulations.pdf


    If someone has both a profit-sharing plan and a money purchase plan, how do the limits on contributions and deductions apply?

    Guest Enda80
    By Guest Enda80,

    If an employer has two plans (such as a money purchase plan and a profit-sharing plan), how do the 415 limits, the limits on deductions, the 417 limits, and so forth apply? I know the usual limits on annual additions usually amount to 100% of compensation and approximately $42,000 (annually adjusted limit, of course), but I had not given much thought about how this applies if an employer has more than one plan.


    What happens if you do not timely amend?

    Guest Enda80
    By Guest Enda80,

    If a plan does not timely amend for GUST, EGGTRA, 401(a)(9) or 401(a)(31), what penalties or options follow? Is a self-correction or voluntary correction program possible?


    Bank of America serving as a plan sponsor

    Guest Enda80
    By Guest Enda80,

    How long have they done this?


    ETF's

    Guest JCarroll
    By Guest JCarroll,

    I would be interested in knowing if any plan sponsors have added Exchange Traded Funds (ETFs) to their 401(k) family of funds. Ours is the typical 401(k) Plan with an array of equity and bond funds available for participant choosing. However, in this volatile investment time period a number of participants have expressed a desire to see ETFs as an investment option under our plan. Any thoughts (good or bad) on these types of funds and how they may or may not be suited for a 401(k) Plan would be appreciated. I am particularly interested in learing from other's experience from a fiduciary perspective. Thanks


    AFTAP H_LL - NEED HELP UNDERSTANDING

    HarleyBabe
    By HarleyBabe,

    Can someone explain what the difference is between the 4/1/2008 cert and the one due 10/1/2008? I think I understand that the one due 4/1/2008 is preliminary, basically for 08 based on 2007 numbers. I'm using the sample letter and cert that Jim Holland gave in his webcast. Does anyone have an example of one they are using for the certs due 10/1/2008? I assume that if we have all of the 2007 data and the client has made the 2007 cont, we can go ahead and certify 2008 now and only have to do 1, is that correct? Also, we can definitely use the credit balance, correct?

    By the way, who the heck thought of these dates they were due by, 10/1/08, like we're not doing anything else at that time.


    Withdrawal from endangered plan

    Guest Penelope
    By Guest Penelope,

    Under the PPA, once a plan has been certified as "endangered," and before a funding plan has been adopted, the plan may not accept a collective bargaining agreement that provides for lower contributions, suspended contributions or exclusion of certain employees. Does this mean that an employer and union may not agree during the adoption period to withdraw from the plan entirely?


    Home Benefits

    Guest HomeBenefitProvider
    By Guest HomeBenefitProvider,

    Over the last couple of months I have been working on putting together a package of home benefits to offer to small to midsized companies in NJ as a voluntary benefit for there employees.

    This package allows these companies to offer a valuable benefit to their staff that provides convenient access to bundled savings on home financing and other home related services, at no cost to their company. My package helps reward and retain their people by providing a benefit that streamlines buying, selling and financing one of their most valuable assets…real estate. As well as discounts on home inspections, insurance and other home related services.

    Before I go knocking on the doors of HR benefit managers, I thought I would get some feedback from people in the industry. Anyone have any thoughts or concerns for me?

    Thanks for any feedback.


    Deceased Participant w/FSA balance

    Guest Mitzi Jean
    By Guest Mitzi Jean,
    :unsure: FSA participant wanted to know, if she dies, what happens to her FSA balance. She has no spouse or children, no blood relatives, and intends to appoint someone executor of her estate or beneficiary. She wants this elected person to be able to get reimbursement for expenses incurred prior to her death. The kicker is that she wants us (the tpa) to come up with a Beneficiary form (of sorts) that will insure reimbursement of the FSA balance. I would think that the Plan Administrator (her employer) would have to include some sort of exact blurb in the plan doc. Or, maybe this would be something her Attorney would have to handle through her estate or will provisions. Hope this all made sense and that someone can give me some ammo for this dilemman so this gal can rest easy that her pittance will not be forfeited. Aarghh! Thank you so much!

    Death definition

    Guest RBlaine
    By Guest RBlaine,

    At the last ASPPA meeting several folks referenced an email that was written very much like a real IRS ruling and it pertained to the definition of death, I think.

    Could someone post that here, please?

    thanks


    HCE -- top paid group tie breakers

    Guest SWH
    By Guest SWH,

    Okay. First time I've run into this situation. Have a plan with top paid group election. 20% calculation comes to 4 HCEs.

    Have the following comps:

    200K

    170K

    155K

    150K

    150K

    150K

    150K

    My question: The 150k is the 4th "position," but how do I choose which $150k gets chosen? Or do I take them all?


    Testing Requirements for Spinoff Plan

    Guest MikeAIGFA
    By Guest MikeAIGFA,

    One of our clients was spun off and acquired by a new parent company on 9/1/2007. Of course they were owned by the prior parent company for the majority of the year (1/1/2007 - 9/1/2007) but are now a new entity.

    What are the testing reqruirements/responsibities under these circumstances?

    Thank you in advance.

    Mike


    Missed Cycle B Deadline--Now What?

    Guest ScarletKnight
    By Guest ScarletKnight,

    Individually designed plan is a Cycle B filer. Determination letter app is not filed by 1/31/08. It looks like this must be corrected through EPCRS. Presuming the VCP application is submitted by 1/31/09, this filing subject to either: (1) the compliance fee for non-amenders of 50% of the regular VCP fee; or (2) the compliance fee for a failure to adopt an interim amendment of $375. I am tempted to say that this is an interim amendment failure, but am concerned as to how the EGTRRA remedial amendment period factors in. Any thoughts? I wish there was a straightforward explanation of how to correct in Rev. Proc. 2007-44!


    ERISA Severance Pension Plan

    Guest sjlbenefits
    By Guest sjlbenefits,

    I have a client who has created an ERISA Severance Plan that is a Pension Plan. The Severance Plan is a voluntary retirement arrangement that has recently been offered to employees who are age 60 with one year of service. The client acknowledges and accepts that this is a pension rather than a welfare plan and that additional steps will be necessary to comply with ERISA. The program itself is short-term in nature and no additional voluntary retirement window is anticipated in the next few years. I have the following questions regarding the arrangement:

    (1) A trust is required for the assets. Who can administer the Trust? Can I arrange for a bank or a financial advisor to administer the Trust?

    (2) How long does the plan have to remain in existence? A former attorney told this client that the plan would have to remain in place for 5 years, but I can't find a legal requirement for this time period.

    (3) Form 5500s and SARs are required, as well as a plan document, trust document and SPD/SMM. Are there any other requirements that I am missing?

    (4) When must the plan documentation be completed? The former attorney told the client that all documents had to be "filed" within 100 days following the announcement of the voluntary retirement arrangement. I cannot find any 100 day requirement. I think they are referring to the 90 day / 120 day requirement for the provision of SPDs to participants. As for filing, the only documents to be filed would be the Form 5500. Am I missing something?

    (5) Participation requirements - my client extended the voluntary retirement arrangement to all employees age 60 or above with one of service, but excluded a few job titles. There does not appear to be any discrimination with respect to highly compensated employees. Is this my only concern?

    The legal guidance always stresses that a severance arrangement should not be structured as a pension plan due to the burdensome requirements. I just want to make sure that I am covering all of the bases.


    HRAs and COBRA

    Guest Nini
    By Guest Nini,

    We have a client that maintains a health reimbursement arrangement. The employer contribution is made to the account on the last day of the month. Two employees have terminated employment and have elected COBRA. How does this work with respect to the 18 month period – can the employer extend coverage until the last day of the 18th month?

    When an employee terminates on 2/16/08 and elects COBRA – continuation coverage will run through 8/16/09. However, the premium for the final month is due 8/1/09 and the employer contribution will not be made until 8/31/09. Is it permissible for the employer to extend for all employees continuation coverage through the end of the 18th month? Or is it possible to pro-rate the premium for the 18th month?


    QDRO's and the PBGC

    Guest Ms Behave
    By Guest Ms Behave,

    I have been involved in a protracted dispute with my former spouse (which he initiated). I am the AP of a defined benefit pension plan which is currently administered by the PBGC. Although the employees of the PBGC are friendly and seem to be helpful, it is very difficult to receive satisfactory answers (in my opinion). The PP was upset by the reduction of his benefit by the PBGC when they took over the plan and filed an action against me in the court system (as my "fixed-dollar" benefit remained unchanged and he was requesting that I share proportionally in the reduction he took).

    After many months, a long court hearing and costly attorneys fees, in February the PBGC sent me a copy of a letter addressed to my former spouse saying they had "completed its review of the draft domestic relations order you submitted" (unilaterally and no copy provided to me or my attorney) and said that "it would NOT (the PBGC added the emphasis) be a qualified domestic relations order . . . . for the follow reason(s):

    If payments have already started under a QDRO providing the alternate payee a separate interest, no change to the QDRO is permitted.

    The court was provided with a copy of this PBGC letter, but the judge made no reference to it in his decision/order in which he denied both my former spouse's motion and my motion for costs and fees.

    My question is: Why wasn't that information available - possibly printed on the DOL or PBGC website, so that all of this was clearly unnecessary? I have searched and have never been able to find anything addressing this issue. When I called the PBGC early on and explained I had been in pay status for nearly two decades, I was never told that, under my circumstances, no change would be permitted.

    Any insight on this would be appreciated - or I would especially appreciate being directed to any writing which states this policy (maybe I wasn't using the correct key words in my searches).

    The award to me was a property settlement in a divorce; but my former spouse is a very tenacious opponent and will continue to beat a dead horse. I'm assuming he will file a motion for reconsideration with the court and was hoping to be able to find something more concrete about this issue. Also, the PBGC gave no instructions in their letter concerning the appeal process, so I'm hoping it means that this isn't open to appeal (which would give him the opportunity to drag this thing on even longer).


    FTAP/AFTAP for 2008 (1st effective plan year)

    flosfur
    By flosfur,

    Per the proposed regs, for 2007 (the pre-effective plan year)

    2007 FTAP = 2007 Net Plan Assets @ valuation date / 2007 Current Liability (CL) per section 412(l)(7) on the "valuation date".

    Consider a calendar year plan:

    1) For a BOY valuation case, the 2007 CL @ valuation date would be the value of benefits accrued @ 01/01/07.

    What about the EOY valuation case? Would the 2007 CL be the liability computed @ 12/31/07 with respect to the benefits accrued @ 01/01/07 or the benefits accrued @ 12/31/07 (the valuation date)?

    If it is the value of benefits accrued @ 12/31/07, the FTAP is most likely going to be <100% for most cases since one cannot take into account the contributions to be made after the certification date!

    2) If the 2007 valuation has not been completed yet, can the FTAP based on 2006 valuation be used to provide actuarial certification? After all, the CL @ 12/31/06 of benefits accrued @ 12/31/06 is equal to the CL @ 01/01/07 of benefits accrued @ 01/01/07 (assuming the CL interest rate used for the 2006 val is within the 2007 permissible CL interest rates).


    Unrealized gain - Terminated plan

    Lori Friedman
    By Lori Friedman,

    Plan A terminated by transferring all of its assets/liabilities to Plan B. The transfer occured on the last day of Plan A's year.

    There's a substantial unrealized gain for the year. But, I believe that a terminated plan can't report an unrealized gain; there's $0 asset FMV at the end of the year and, thus, no unrealized gains or losses.

    1. Do you agree?

    2. If yes, how do you treat the unrealized gain on Schedule H? I can't report it on Line 2b(4) because the amount wasn't, well, realized. Do you simply plug the amount to "other" interest?


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