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    Loan then early withdrawal

    Gmass
    By Gmass,

    I have ~$35k in a state pension system that I am going to roll into a 401k in the next week or so (I have left state service, will not be returning, and don't qualify for a pension).    

    I have an opportunity to get into another investment opportunity that will require as much of this $35k as possible (real estate related). 

    My current plan is to take the largest loan possible (likely 50%) then taking an early-withdrawal of the remaining balance.  Is this possible and is this legal?  How low can I run the account down to with an open loan? 


    S corp shareholder simple deferrals not deposited

    cpa2000
    By cpa2000,

    There are lots of topics on this forum about employers not depositing deferrals for unrelated employees (sad!).  This is a little different - all non-owner employee deferrals and matches were deposited timely.  The deferrals for the 1 shareholder-employee were not deposited.  There are 2 years worth of deferrals and match not paid in.  If this were a non-owner employee there's only 1 option to fix this ... deposit what is owed plus missed earnings.  

    The company does not have the cash flow to deposit the late deferrals and match.  This is the 100% shareholder.  Is there an option to not deposit the deferrals and match in some way...  amend W-2s and tax returns to change these deferrals to shareholder loan repayments?   Any creative ideas that would simplify the process?

    No other employees have participated in this plan in 2 years.  

    I appreciate your help!


    canadian resident in plan

    Beemer
    By Beemer,

    An employer has a 403(b) plan and an employer contribution plan.  A former employee and participant has been rehired.  This employee has relocated and now lives in Ontario, Canada.  She has dual citizenship, but lives and works from her home in Canada.  She is the only Canadian employee.  The plans defined compensation as W-2 compensation, but there is no non-resident alien exclusion.  She does not receive a W-2.

    Am I correct in thinking that

    1)  She cannot defer in the 403(b) plan or receive a contribution in the employer contribution plan as she has no W-2 compensation

    2)  She should be included in participant counts as an active participant, testing, etc.

    3) They could increase her compensation so that she could contribute to the Canadian RRSP.

    Thanks for any replies.

     


    Life Insurance Salesman as Statutory Employee

    TPA Bob
    By TPA Bob,

    I have a life insurance salesman who has a significant part of his revenue paid to him as a statutory employee and is covered by the insurance company's retirement plans.  Additionally he has other commissioned income that is not considered statutory income by the payers.

    In addition he has his own employee that he pays W-2 compensation.

    He wants to establish a separate retirement plan covering his non statutory income and the employees income.

    I have not been able to find anything definitive.  Would seem for retirement plan purposes he could establish a Plan for his non statutory income and that of his employee.

    Any thoughts greatly appreciated.


    COBRA premium calculation - info to participant

    waid10
    By waid10,

    Hi.  What information must be disclosed to a COBRA participant regarding calculation of premium?  We have a participant that wants detailed information about what makes up the premium.  He is asking for information about what costs/fees/etc. go into the premium calculation.  Typically we have explained that the COBRA premium is based off of the health plan premium for the coverage selected.  It is 100% of that amount plus a 2% admin fee.  He wants to know what goes into the health plan premium.  My thought is that the insurer has set the premium amount; and he or any participant can elect to coverage and pay that amount, or decline coverage.  But he wants very detailed information about what does into the premium amount.  What are we (the employer) legally required to provide?

    Thanks.


    Due date for top heavy minimum

    R. Butler
    By R. Butler,

    Top heavy minimum contributions were required for 2015, but they were not made until December 2016.  Are lost earnings required in this case.  If so what is the loss date?  I can' find anything that specifically spells this out.

     

    Thanks for any guidance.


    Strange result? Community property state IRA

    Belgarath
    By Belgarath,

    Just saw the attached, in an internet post by and Edward Morrow. Also saw a similar post by someone else. Not being au fait with community property IRA beneficiary rules, I found this rather surprising from a "common sense" point of view. Haven't seen an actual copy of the PLR.

    Fixing Plans with Community Property IRAs

    The IRS takes the position that a court order granting a surviving spouse 50% of an IRA that was her community property pursuant to state law is ineligible for a rollover!  This is a wake up call to watch out for any cases where spouses are not named on the beneficiary designation form for community property IRAs.

    Community Property IRA Disaster

    In PLR 2016-23001, Decedent left 100% of his community property IRA to his son, not his wife.  In settling estate, court ordered a portion (the ruling did not say, but probably 50%) of IRA to wife.  She asked the IRS to rule that it was not a taxable event.  DENIED.  IRS held it would be taxable to son because Section 408(g) provides that § 408 “shall be applied without regard to any community property laws.” She could not be a payee and could not rollover the IRA.  Three lessons: 1) Had son simply filed a qualified disclaimer, it would have likely passed to wife via intestacy (if not via contingent beneficiary designation) and spouse would have been entitled to rollover; 2) Check the beneficiary designation form and plan ahead for how spouse will receive community property - naming spouse as 50% beneficiary or more would have avoided the need for either a qualified disclaimer or an expensive private letter ruling; 3) Prevention is cheaper than PLRs!

     

     

     


    Counting Pre-Break Service for Post-Break Vesting

    BigERISA
    By BigERISA,

    Does anyone know of guidance that says the rule that requires pre-break service to count for post-break vesting if the participant has pre-break 401(k) elective deferrals also applies to 403(b) elective deferrals?


    Cross Testing/Coverage/ADP Test

    tjw572
    By tjw572,

    I have a plan that is performing its ADP testing by excluding the otherwise excludable employees. I know that the 410(b) testing has to be performed the same.  However, if the plan is cross-tested under 401(a)(4) for the employer contributions, does this testing have to follow suit?  Or does the 401(a)(4) testing stand on its own?


    Comp Reduced by 125

    austin3515
    By austin3515,

    This is ridiculous.  I am reading that employee deferrals under a 125 plan are supposed to be excluded from the definition of compensation.  So Johnny makes $100,000 and his insurance premiums are $5,000 so his eligible comp is just $95,000.  Is anyone in the country doing THAT right??

    I'm renaming these things to "COMPLEX's"  I don't know what it stands for yet...


    Participant Inadvertently Deferred More Comp Than Available

    Eric Taylor
    By Eric Taylor,

    Basic deferred comp plan permits participants to defer up to 85% of income.  Most don't defer that high or if they do don't have a problem with other deductions.  One participant however, has significant deductions for other benefits including basically every welfare plan offered such that FICA taxes and other deductions from pay before the deferred comp deferral total just over 16%.  In short, he cannot defer the requested 85% and cover taxes and benefit plan deductions.  The plan, for better or worse, does not expressly address conflicts with other deferral elections (not sure if it would help even if it did).  What to do here?  Seems inappropriate to disregard or invalidate the entire deferral election.  Are they best to honor the deferral to the maximum extent possible?  If so, is it fair to assume that all other deferral elections (health insurance, flex plan, deferrals) should take precedence and just put the remainder into the deferred comp plan even though not at the full election level?


    Former HCE Death Benefit re-named, Spouse now HCE, count for Top Heavy?

    JWRB
    By JWRB,

    I've never come across this one before and could use some guidance.  I have an owner who died in 2011.  Spouse decided to keep the money in the plan and re-name it as her own; so the money was never "distributed" formally.  Fast forward, spouse is now an owner/HCE/key.  Question I have is, does the deceased spouse's account balance, now under living spouse, and current key's account, count towards top heavy?

    I'm 99% sure it counts, but can't point to an exact provision as to why.  I read through all of the regs on this I could find and nothing jumped out to me as on point.  I'm curious if it's a related rollover and would count as being rolled over/transferred to a plan maintained by the same employer....even though it's the same plan.  I did a search on here but couldn't find anything conclusive (hoping it's not an un-resolved gray area).

    Any help is appreciated; thanks in advance!


    Distribute assets within 12 months

    Trisports
    By Trisports,

    I'm trying to search for the official IRS guidance that provides that assets must be distributed within 12 months when a plan is terminated. On the IRS website, it provides it has to be distributed as soon as administratively feasible (generally within one year), but  I need the actual Rev proc/official guidance. Any suggestions?

     

    Thanks.


    Short-Term Deferral Exception / 457f

    austin3515
    By austin3515,

    OK, I am missing something.  The new proposed regs indicate that Short-Term deferrals are not subject to 457f.  Short-term deferrals are deferrals that are paid shortly after they become vested.  Because 457f's are taxable when they vest, we always payout shortly after they become vested.

    So what would be a 457f plan?  And why don't any of these articles address that question?


    Wanted/unwanted emails for topics or forums you're "following"

    Tom Poje
    By Tom Poje,

    so now I'm back to receiving e-mails for every post I have responded. I reset things again


    Elective service crediting

    Scuba 401
    By Scuba 401,

    company A and B were part of the same controlled group and had one plan which has last day requirement.  company B splits off from A and establishes its own plan effective april 1 and mirrors all provisions.  company A does not want to fund matching contribution to those employees that went over to the Plan B because of the last day rule.  company B plan document credits prior service for vesting eligiblity and contribution allocation.  company B wants to fund the matching contribution to those employees that deferred in the controlled group plan prior the spinoff and they want to give the match for the entire year.  can they do this?   document credits service with company A for contribution allocation eligibility and vesting.

    my feeling is the plan has a discretionary match so they can just say we are matching compensation deferred to all employees during the plan year or they can add specific language to that effect.


    Using forfeitures for safe harbor match

    djhpro
    By djhpro,

    I'm reading that the IRS Rule in the Fed Register on 1/18/2017 allows plans to apply forfeitures towards  safe harbor employer contributions.  The Rule has many cross references and directly addresses QMAC's and QNEC's as now OK to be funded with forfeitures.  Has anyone analyzed?  Do you agree that safe harbor contributions can now be funded with forfeitures?


    Fixed match in safe harbor 401k

    sammyp42
    By sammyp42,

    I am trying to figure out the limits of a fixed match in a safe harbor 401k plan.  I know I can contribute a fixed match up to 6% of eligible play, but can the match be something like 200% of up to 6% elective deferral (effectively end up being 12%... or even more)?

    I am also a little confused by the difference between a fixed match and a discretionary match.  Our plan is owner/spouse + one part time employee.  My understanding is that the part time employee needs to get the same match as the owner/spouse.... is that correct, or is there different flexibility around different matches?

    Also, attached is a spreadsheet I created for myself to help run through different scenarios.  Obviously, not all types of contributions can be used together, but I have been using this to sanity test some numbers.  Please let me know if this spreadsheet looks useful, or is completely off base.  Any feedback is much appreciated!

    Thanks a bunch!

    401k.xlsx


    Educational Assistance Program repayment obligation

    7806akp
    By 7806akp,

    Would an obligation to continue employment for 2 years after receipt of a tuition reimbursement be considered a "reasonable condition subsequent" under Reg. 1.127-2 so that  a repayment obligation upon a termination of employment prior to the end of the 2-year period would not, on its own, cause an educational assistance plan to be discriminatory? The regulation includes the example of a 1-year continued employment requirement, but it is not clear if a longer period could also be considered reasonable. 


    410b test and suspension provision

    Mr Bagwell
    By Mr Bagwell,

    I need help to see if my logic is correct...

    Small plan.  3 NHCE and 2 HCE.  Discretionary match and profit sharing.  Allocation suspension applies.  Last Day and 1000 hours for match and profit sharing ( 2-tiered).  Top Heavy Plan.  Participating Comp.  Semi-Entry.

    One of the three NHCE terminates in 2016.  So 410b fails (m) and (a) at 66.67%.  Can't use ABT because of suspension.  So the terminated employee must benefit to pass 410b.

    For Match:  the terminated employee does not defer so does not get match.  No allocation condition is going to get him a match.  I yes-override employee in Relius to get a passing (M) test.  In essence I have removed the last day allocation provision and because employee is able to defer, the employee benefits for match..... at least that is my thoughts.

    Profit Sharing:  the terminated employee shares in the profit sharing after "removing" the last day allocation provision.  Employee came in 7/1/2016 so use compensation from 7/1/2016 to day of term.  I would guess if Top-Heavy allocation would be greater than profit sharing, I would put in the TH contribution amount. Profit sharing is greater in this case.

    Am I missing anything in this scenario?

    Of course, I tell the bosses and sales team to ask about number of employees and design plan accordingly.....


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