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Sure, nothing is final until you file the SB. You can try asset smoothing and using the yield curve instead of segment rates. One note of caution - be careful with your AFTAP cert. If you are changing your methods used to prep the 2008 valuation, those changes will also impact your 2008 AFTAP. You are probably ok, unless it results in a material change. In other words, if your original AFTAP resulted in benefit restrictions, but now you redo the 2008 val using the yield curve and find the restrictions would not have applied, you may have just disqualified the plan. Totally idiotic position, but I believe that is what is says.

Mostly because this snuck up on me... remember the election to add to the prefunding balance must be made by the due date of the previous year's 5500. In other words, if you are using a prefunding balance in your 2009 valuation, the sponsor must elect to create it (from excess 2008 contributions) before the due date of the 2008 5500, even though it doesn't show up on 2008 SB. Just one more thing to do, along with 5500s, AFTAPs, Elections, participant notices, all at various dates before 10/31.

Just as a point of clarification, I don't think the IRS has ever accepted any waiver type solutions in order to avoid a funding requirement. The only time a waiver solution is used is when the plan has been terminated, but doesn't have sufficient assets to pay all of the benefits. You can't use a waiver to avoid a minimum funding requirement.

I say (a)

In all seriousness, Judy Miller posted this on the ACOPA Board and said you could/should funnel your questions to her.

Draft: 8/26/2009 Section by Section Summary Pomeroy Discussion Draft for Pension Funding Relief TITLE I—SINGLE EMPLOYER PLANS SECTION 101. Extended period for single-employer defined benefit plans to amortize certain shortfall amortization bases. Allows a sponsor of a defined benefit plan to elect one of two alternative amortization schedules for the investment losses that occurred at the end of 2008. One alternative would extend the period for nine years delaying the seven amortization payments for two years with employers making interest payments in the first two years. The second alternative would fund the "2008 losses" over a 15 year amortization period; this would give employers a predictable and practical required funding stream that would not divert funding from other key business needs. To assure that the above funding relief is not undermined by other actions that would reduce the retirement security of employees, employers electing the funding relief would have to meet one of three maintenance of effort options. These include: continuing to provide benefit accruals under the plan; making a 3 percent nonelective contribution to a defined contribution plan for employees frozen out of the defined benefit plan; or, freezing all nonqualified deferred compensation plans and subjecting them to the restrictions that apply to the defined benefit plans that cover rank and file employees. These requirements would apply for different periods depending on the extended amortization schedule chosen by the employer. SECTION 102. Expansion of corridor within which single-employer defined benefit plans are allowed to average asset values. Generally, expands the asset smoothing corridor from the current 10 percent corridor by increasing the corridor to 20 percent of fair market value for 2009 and 2010. SECTION 103. Election to use yield curve. Allows employers that use the spot yield curve for 2009 to use the segment rates for 2010. SECTION 104. Lookback for benefit accrual restriction. Uses the plan's 2008 funded status to determine if the benefit restriction that freezes benefit accruals for plans that are less than 60% funded will apply in 2009 and 2010. SECTION 105. Lookback for credit balance rule Uses the plan's 2008 funded status for the purpose of the rule prohibiting the use of credit balances with respect to a plan that was under 80% funded in the prior year. This will apply for both 2009 and 2010. SECTION 106. Clarification of the treatment of expenses. Clarifies that plan investment expenses are not included in the plan's target normal cost. SECTION 107. Information reporting. Modifies the section 4010 reporting rules by repealing the PPA rule requiring reporting with respect to plans that are less than 80% funded and replacing the trigger for reporting. The new trigger would be when a plan had aggregate unfunded vested benefits of more than $100 million and would disregard plans that are at least 90% funded. Additionally, rules regarding the confidentiality of the reported information would be tightened. SECTION 108. Benefit restriction effective date for collectively bargained plans. Generally, with respect to collectively bargained plans, the draft delays the application of the benefit restrictions until plan years beginning after December 31, 2011. SECTION 109. Social Security level-income options. Social Security level-income options are excluded from the benefit restriction limiting lump sums and other prohibited payments. SECTION 110. PBGC guarantee. Changes the determination of the amount of the PBGC guarantee by using the date of plan termination, rather than the date that a contributing sponsor enters bankruptcy. SECTION 111. Application of extended amortization period to plans subject to prior law funding rules. Provides comparable funding relief and maintenance of effort rules to plans not yet subject to the PPA rules. This relief is limited to the deficit reduction contribution ("DRC") rules under the pre-PPA funding regime. SECTION 112. Additions to funding-based limits on benefits and benefits accruals under single-employer plans. Prohibits the adoption of early retirement window arrangements under which benefits are payable in a lump sum unless the plan after taking into account the additional benefits is at least 120% funded. Alternatively, the company could fund the full cost of the additional benefits. If such an amendment does take effect, all benefits under the plan would be required to be 100% vested. SECTION 113. Reportable events. Revises the treatment of PBGC reportable events based on a specified reduction in the number of active participants in a plan so that such an event is treated as not occurring if: (1) there has not been the statutorily specified reduction in the number of active employees of the employer, (2) the plan was at least 80% funded for the 2008 plan year, and (3) the plan sponsor notifies the PBGC that it is using this special rule TITLE II— MULTIEMPLOYER PLANS SECTION 201. Adjustments to funding standard account rules Allows multiemployer plans that meet solvency tests to elect one of two approaches, available for 2009 and 2010, to fund recent losses over a 30-year period; strengthens and streamlines existing amortization extension provisions. SECTION 202. Multiemployer plans in endangered or critical status. Extends the Rehabilitation Period and the Funding Improvement Period by 5 years, net of any extension in that period elected by the plan under section 205 of WRERA; authorizes trustees of a multiemployer plan in endangered or critical status to elect to treat any schedule of benefits and contributions adopted under their Rehabilitation or Funding Improvement Plan as the Default Schedule, once it has been approved in collective bargaining agreements covering at least 75% of the plan's active participants as of the start of the plan year in which the schedule is so designated; streamlines and clarifies certain technical rules for plans in endangered status. SECTION 203. Multiemployer plan mergers and alliances. Facilitates the merger of multiemployer pension funds though the creation of multiemployer pension "alliances." Authorizes the PBGC to facilitate alliances by providing direct or indirect financial assistance, when the PBGC determines such assistance is reasonably expected to reduce the PBGC's likely long-term loss. Provides fiduciary clarification to allow trustees to be deemed to meet exclusive benefit standard of ERISA. SECTION 204. Strengthening participants' benefit protections. Updates the level of PBGC guarantees for multiemployer plans that become insolvent, so that someone who had 30 years of service could be assured of receiving a maximum of roughly $20,000/year, up from roughly $13,000/year. Modifies existing provisions for multiemployer plan partitions so that eligible plans that have suffered substantial reductions in contributions due to employer bankruptcies and terminations to transfer liabilities attributable to those employers to the PBGC, if that would significantly reduce the likelihood that the eligible plan would become insolvent.

I agree the AFN only applies to PBGC plans, but I think Dino was asking about the benefit restriction notice which would apply to all plans.

Not sure how to take the lack of responses on this, maybe its just a stupid question? Anyway, what we decided to do was show the 12/31/2007 values in the 3-yr history part of the schedule. 12/31/2007 liabilities and assets, including 2007 NC and 2007 contributions (and receivables). This seemed like the closest thing to the "2008 FTAP". The transition numbers below the schedule will be 12/31/07 & 12/31/06 (EOY values of BOY assets and liabilities - ie. No NC or contributions). I know, doesn't make much sense, but it was easy. The stuff at the end of notice will be 12/31/2008 assets (including receivables) and liabilities (including 2008 TNC). We are not revaluting 12/31/08 liabilities at PBGC rate since we used the exception for small plans and determined the variable rate premium based on funding target. Anyone see any major flaws in any of that?

You should let their attorney make this call.

David, Are you questioning the need to protect the value of the optional forms on the old basis (ie: 411(d)(6)) or are you questioning her statement that she only needs to do it for one year?

From posts on the ACOPA board, it seems that most people will be adding the DOL language to future AFN's. Regaring those that have already been released without it, some plan on ignoring the requirement, others plan to send out the DOL disclosure only. Following was posted by Joan Gucciardi

Finally looking at my first MB for 2008 and it looks like most multi's are now required to provide the age/service chart? Just making sure because they were always exempted from this before.

Just looking for consensus since I don't believe we have any real guidance, but how are people doing the AFN for an EOY val? The instructions seem to call for the AFN to report the FTAP for the year which the notice relates. So lets say we are doing the 2008 AFN. In the Funding Target Attainment Percentage section do you report the 12/31/2007 numbers (which we used to determine the 2008 AFTAP) or would we show the 12/31/2008 numbers (which would really be for the 2009 AFTAP). Or would you show both 12/31/2007 and 12/31/2008 as two of the three year's of history?

- Cool! I didn't know you were an EA and an attorney. Hope your E/O covers your legal work as well.

I don't think you are going to get a concrete answer becuase I doubt one exists. I would just suggest you do whatever you think is reasonable and keep good notes and records. If it were me, and the document said use 5 years, then I would probably use 5 years. The difference between a 4 yr average and a 5 yr average can't be much.

... and what did they say?

I have seen it done both ways, HOWEVER, whatever you come up with needs to pass 401(a)(4). You would need to general test the ultimate allocation based on total compensation.

I don't see why not. Just be careful that the benefit he actually receives doesn't exceed the 415 limit. Also, make sure the language in the plan allows for the reallocation of the excess assets and not an employer reversion. Oh, and if there were other participants at one time, you might want to consider if this could be considered discriminatory in practice, or if you are amending the plan to allow for the reallocation, if that amendment could be considered discriminatory due to the timing.

Stupid question, but when you are putting the 5500 packages together, are you putting the "SB" after the the "R" and before the "SSA" or are you still putting it in the old "B" slot? From my accounting 101 class I was always told to organize schedules in alpha order, but the schedule checklist section of the 5500 still lists just "Schedule B" and doesn't say "SB" or "MB". However, the directions list the schedules in alpha order with the "SB" after the "R". I know, stupid question, but is everyone else putting the "SB" after the "R"?

I always find that honesty is the best policy. I don't really see any choice but to explain it to the agent and see what happens.

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean, but where have you ever seen it said that you only need to credit interest annually? Are you talking about distributions? Certainly prior to PPA this would have violated 417(e) and/or 411(d)(6). I'm not sure about post PPA, but it certainly doesn't seem reasonble to me. Lets say I have a cash balance account balance of $10,000 on 1/1/09 and it produces a monthly annuity of $115 at NRD. If I terminate in October and you only pay me $10,000, it would only be worth $110 as a monthly annuity at NRD. Since 110 is less than 115, I think I have a 411(d)(6) violation. Or, if you say my annuity is still $115, then the present value in October has to be more than it was in January. (All this assumes CY plan.) I'm am ok with 411(d)(6) type problems when you go from one plan year to the next because they are caused by changes in the market related interest rates, but I think you need to credit interest to the day (or maybe at least monthly) to the cash balance accounts for a distribution. BYW, I feel the same way about lump sums in traditional db plans as well.

How are people completing Line 23 of the 2008 SB if they are using 417(e) mortality as required under 1.430(d)-1(f)(4)(iii)? For most plans that pay lump sums, 1.430 requires you to use the appliciable 417(e) mortality table to determine the funding target. This option doens't fit with any available options under line 23. Our thought is to check the "prescribed" box, but add a footnote that we are using the table prescribed under 1.430(d)-1(f)(4)(iii). Anyone have a different opinion?

Assuming this isn't a PBGC covered plan, and without trying to sound redundant... what does the plan say? Chances are it contains the standard 4044 priority categories language. If so, follow the categories and pay everyone out. I think typically the owner waives benefits and takes what is left, but I am seeing more plans just simply following the plan provisions so that everyone gets a little hair cut. Regarding 436 restrictions, I don't really know what you would do, however there is a school of thought that would say 436 does not apply to terminated plans. I believe it says somewhere that 436 applies whenever 412 applies. 412 does not apply once the plan has been terminated, therefore, 436 wouldn't apply to a terminated plan. Just a thought.

Sorry, but could you be clearer. You said "owner and a child", which implies 2 individuals, but then you say "owner only wants the plan for themselves", which implies more than one owner. Then you say "it is only owners/family" which implies multiple owners and multiple children. Also, how old is the child? If they are under 21, you may be ok Other than that, I think "2" means "2".

Its a document issue. If the def. of comp in the doc is W-2, and the "back pay" shows up on the W-2, it would be difficult to argue that it shouldn't be counted.