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John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA replied to DDB BN's topic in 401(k) Plans
They can only defer from W-2 wages not yet paid. They can only defer from wages paid once the 401(k) plan document and trust agreement is executed (signed). They have to be eligible under the terms of the plan. A deferral election is also required. Other than noting today’s date on the calendar, and the other 50 requests coming in today for a plan document to allow deferrals in 2025, that all sounds easy, right? -
Peter, you asked: Is there another reason why a plan’s sponsor might prefer not to allow nonhighly-compensated employees to make an employee (after-tax) contribution? Yes, there is. When you run an ACP test, you only include the employees eligible for the match. So, if the match allocation has conditions, like last day or 1000 hours, then those employees aren’t in the ACP test. Yay. BUT, as soon as you allow after-tax, everyone eligible to contribute after-tax is now in your ACP test, even those that did not meet the conditions for the match. That could add a whole lot of NHCEs with zeros to the ACP test.
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Right, it can be funded as after tax only up to the lesser of 100% of compensation or the $70,000 dollar limit. The extra $7,500 catch-up is only available as a deferral.
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Meaning, you evaluate the plan as a whole for determining if all the NHCEs got a gateway. Keep in mind if the OEE group itself is not included with the others in testing, then no gateway applies to the OEE group - unless for some very strange reason the OEE group had an HCE getting more as a percent of pay than the younger NHCEs in that OEE group and you cross-tested the OEEs - but I’ve never seen that happen.
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Am I understanding this correctly? Yes. Is there any way to bypass the testing for mega roth backdoor after tax contributions? Have zero eligible nonhighly compensated employees, no testing needed. In other words, employing only highly compensated employees who meet the age/service/entry requirements = no testing needed.
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And the plan must have the safe harbor provisions. It is not considered safe harbor if the plan does not say it is safe harbor.
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Tangentially related, perhaps: my understanding that a housing allowance paid is not counted for 415 compensation purposes and a deferral cannot be withheld from such a payment (it’s already not subject to income tax). Deferrals are withheld from income. My preference is to have the section 107 “minister of the gospel” elect a fixed dollar deferral amount. And because the eventual retirement payment from the plan can also be counted as housing allowance (up to the limits allowed) and thus not subject to income tax, perhaps they be especially careful about electing Roth, as that could result in paying unnecessary income taxes.
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That’s correct.
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Regardless, the plan document likely needs to add some interim good-faith language by the end of 2026 to comply with the law in written form. Thus, the written plan would comply with the possibility that an employee could have have deferred a catchup and their prior W-2 Box 3 FICA wages exceeded the limit that would require such catchup be treated as Roth.
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My understanding is that it is cumulative, that the preservation of capital requirement applies upon distribution unless the terms of the plan dictate otherwise, such as a zero percent annual floor. Using actual ROR can cause high 401(a)(26) minimums when there are low or negative investment returns and can cause low 415 lump sum payout limits when there are high investment returns, so be careful out there!
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If you can explain this from Code section 45E, sure: (iii)Inflation adjustmentIn the case of any taxable year beginning in a calendar year after 2023, the $100,000 amount under clause (i) shall be increased by an amount equal to— (I) such dollar amount, multiplied by (II) the cost-of-living adjustment determined under section 1(f)(3) for the calendar year in which the taxable year begins, determined by substituting “calendar year 2007” for “calendar year 2016” in subparagraph (A)(ii) thereof. If any amount as adjusted under this clause is not a multiple of $5,000, such amount shall be rounded to the next lowest multiple of $5,000.
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The CPI-U for July, August, September of 2025 are all published with values of 323.048, 323.976, and 324.800 respectively. Based on Tom Poje's spreadsheet, the dollar limits for 2026 will be: NOT Official via any IRS pronouncement yet, of course: Deferral limit: $24,500 (up from $23,500) Catchup: $8,000 (up from $7,500) (Super-Catchup, age 60-63 = $11,250, (unchanged) Compensation Limit: $360,000 (up from $350,000) Annual Addition Limit: $72,000 (up from $70,000) DB Limit: $290,000 (up from $280,000) HCE: $160,000 (unchanged) Key Employee: $235,000 (up from $230,000) the 2026 HPI comp number should be $150,000 (up from $145,000) It's unclear but my guess is that means in 2027 we look at comp over $150,000 paid in 2026 for determining HPI's in 2027. The official taxable wage base for 2026, announced by SSA, is $184,500 (up from $176,100).
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I am going to guess regarding the $145,000 HPI limit. This was stated to be adjusted the same way as the others, but using 7/1/2023 - 9/30/2023 as the base period for years beginning after 12/31/2024 with increases occurring in $5,000 increments. Thus, $145,000 was the limit for 2024 when the law required mandatory Roth Catchups to begin (and in an unusual move by the IRS, we were allowed to ignore the law in 2024 and 2025), and the COLA for the 2025 HPI limit would have been increased this as follows: $145,000 x (314.540 + 314.796 + 315.301) / (305.691 + 307.026 + 307.789) = $148,799, which is not $5,000 more, so no increase for 2025, stayed at $145,000 But, for 2026: $145,000 x (323.048 + 323.976+ 324.800) / (305.691 + 307.026 + 307.789) = $153,077, which is at least $5,000, so the 2026 HPI comp number should be $150,000 It's unclear to me based on the law/regs, but my guess is that means in 2027 we look at comp over $150,000 paid in 2026 for determining HPI's in 2027.
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Sorry for the delay - so many meetings! The CPI-U for July, August, September of 2025 are all published with values of 323.048, 323.976, and 324.800 respectively. Based on Tom Poje's spreadsheet, the dollar limits for 2026 will be: NOT Official via any IRS pronouncement yet, of course: Deferral limit: $24,500 (up from $23,500) Catchup: $8,000 (up from $7,500) (Super-Catchup, age 60-63 = $11,250, (unchanged) Compensation Limit: $360,000 (up from $350,000) Annual Addition Limit: $72,000 (up from $70,000) DB Limit: $290,000 (up from $280,000) HCE: $160,000 (unchanged) Key Employee: $235,000 (up from $230,000)
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If the employer might ever want the easy way out of safe harbor during the plan year, then provide the notice and make sure it includes the language that says the employer can amend to exit safe harbor at any time after providing a 30-day advance notice to participants, ending safe harbor contributions thereafter. If the 3% is a QACA SH nonelective and the plan has a match exempt from ACP, even without the notice you can still find the match and avoid ACP. But only if it’s QACA.
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You can test on a contributions basis to avoid gateway. That would increase the 1.87% to something higher to be at the HCE rates with imputed disparity. But first you must pass coverage, so start by allocating something to get to 70% coverage, say $100 to enough NHCEs to get your 70% - maybe pick the lowest paid NHCEs, or whatever is preferred by the employer Coverage passes, so let’s now move on to nondiscrimination testing. Pick just enough NHCEs to get that higher PS needed to be at the HCEs midpoints (use imputed disparity if that helps). Run ABPT either on a benefits basis or a contributions basis, whichever is better. If the ABPT passes, you’re done. Otherwise, troubleshoot what is needed.
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Form 5500-SF - 2024. Q 14(a)
John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA replied to thepensionmaven's topic in Form 5500
The cash balance plan satisfies 401(a)(4) on its own. Frozen plan? Just curious. -
Yes, Ilene’s case was bonkers bad.
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Is there any intent or need for the plan to be exempt from top-heavy? if yes, then allowing deferrals prior to safe harbor entry can be a problem with these entry requirements. The OEEs won’t get TH, but some non-OEEs might.
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Simple plan and profit sharing plan
John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA replied to Kattdogg12's topic in SEP, SARSEP and SIMPLE Plans
The only exception to the exclusive plan rule for a SIMPLE is a safe harbor 401(k) plan. The rule required the SIMPLE to end and the safe harbor 401(k) deferrals to begin the next day and the deferral limits are then pro-rated for the year. I agree that the safe harbor 401(k) plan must have at least 3 months of deferrals in the year to allow the plan to be safe harbor, so you may likely be out of time for 2025. -
Control group Simple IRA
John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA replied to Bruce1's topic in SEP, SARSEP and SIMPLE Plans
The rules under 408(p) rules say a SIMPLE must be the exclusive plan for the Employer and Employer is defined as all businesses in the controlled group/affiliated service group.
