david rigby

Could the chosen date be related to IRC 410(b)(6)? By the way, the IRS opined on a similar topic in the Gray Book: QUESTION #1997-38 A plan sponsor intends to merge two calendar year plans. To avoid filing a short plan year Form 5500 for either plan, should the merger date be December 31or January 1? RESPONSE The merger documents should include language describing the transaction as taking effect at a time such as "as of the beginning of the plan year" or "as of the end of the plan year." As long as the intention is clear, the IRS should not question a date of either December 31 or January 1 on Form 5500 or on Form 5310-A.

1. Not yet universal, "exit fees" are becoming more common. Not disagreeing with Andy, it also may be possible the plan sponsor can negotiate this fee. IMHO, $500 for each plan might be unreasonable. 2. "Ransom" is a pretty strong word. Subject to any possible service agreement (written or implied), it is reasonable for the actuary to ask for a fee, primarily because the actuary consolidated and "cleaned up" (we assume) the data from prior years. Having consolidated data is significantly different from having copies of the original data from each prior year. BTW, the same issue sometimes arises with respect to a 5500. It is likely you (the "new" actuary) don't really know what was "disclosed to the client." 3. Not much you can do about the lack of professional courtesy, short of asking the other guy to re-read Precept 10 of the Code. http://www.actuary.org/content/code-professional-conduct. You can always ask for guidance from the ASB. BTW, there have been multiple sessions on this topic at various Enrolled Actuary Meetings.

A QDRO is an order of the court, with specific requirements under ERISA. Probably, the court can change it's own order, but there may be a deadline by which such change is irrelevant. Assuming the Plan was not notified of a revised QDRO before completion of the transfer, it's possible that deadline has passed.

Just my opinion, if the plan followed it's rules and completed the transfer to AP, then there is nothing else to do. It seems unlikely the participant and AP can simply "request" a change to the QDRO.

While reviewing the Manhart case, it is recommended that you also review the "Norris" case (1983? 1988?). BTW, both were governmental plans.

Line 6a of the 5500 was modified for 2014. It's also mentioned on page 1 of the 2014 instructions. https://www.dol.gov/ebsa/5500main.html

Highly recommended that the original poster should not care about: - the debts of estate, or - the reason the son may want to disclaim, or - what the estate tax structure is, or - etc. These are of no concern to the plan sponsor, to the TPA, etc. Rather, advice to the son (who just might be the only person to whom the plan sponsor can direct any comments) should be to relate the provisions of the plan: the plan states the benefit goes to X, etc. Let the son and/or the estate gets its own legal advice.

I'll bite. Why is response "legally required"?

There is lots wrong with it. Grammar, punctuation, possibly spelling, probably one or more omitted words, all of which leads me to caution.

I hope that is not an exact quote. Is there a plan merger somewhere in this? What does the plan's attorney say?

Perhaps your client has fallen victim to a scam. Or, a "helpful" brother-in-law.

It depends. If the VT's previously reported, then report with code D. If not previously reported, ignore them.

ERISA Outline Book. Author is Sal Tripodi.

In a plan termination, a distribution is made to or on behalf of every participant. The terms of the plan dictate what payment forms are required. Nevertheless, most plans will make payments something like this (assuming the plan is subject to ERISA): A. to retirees/beneficiaries currently receiving a benefit as an annuity, either (1) purchase a commercial annuity (i.e., retiree receives no option), or (2) offer a lump sum payment (if the retiree declines option 2, the plan may be required to revert to option 1). B. to VT and active participants, offer a lump sum. If the LS is over $5K and the participant declines the LS, the plan (probably) must provide the benefit thru purchase of a commercial annuity. If the participant is currently eligible for early or normal retirement, the plan will probably not offer optional forms (as any regular retiree would receive) because that puts this person back in category A. However, there might be some (small) differences in the communications sent to VT participants vs. active participants.

By the way, this is called "insurance".

Yes, answered many times before. (Mike might be overstating to say "gazillion", but its close.) Just as important is the advice in Post #7: check the plan document, to review its definition.

Vesting rules for ERISA plans changed with the first plan year beginning in 1989. Upon such date, the graded vesting schedule in the first paragraph of the original post would not have been permitted.

Data as of 05/31/2016 (Tuesday) Moody's Daily Long-term Corporate Bond Yield Averages Utilities Industrial Corporate Aaa NA 3.63 3.63 Aa 3.71 3.75 3.73 A 3.91 3.98 3.95 Baa 4.62 4.74 4.68 Avg 4.08 4.03 4.06 Moody's Daily Treasury Yield Averages Short-Term (3-5 yrs) 1.21 Medium-Term (5-10 yrs) 1.59 Long-Term (10+ yrs) 2.34

I am aware of one deferred annuity purchase. I believe the carrier was Mutual of Omaha. No one wants to bid on the "non-responders".

Jeepers (that is the technical term). Not sure why the IRS would ask sponsor to sign such a statement. (It seems contradictory to the best interest of the IRS.) I don't have an answer to your question, but suggest this plan sponsor needs advice from a competent ERISA attorney.

I heard that also. The speaker was Ira Cohen, now retired IRS actuary. He would know.

OK. IMHO, the proposed condition is likely to be irrelevant, in which case I suggest there is no "significant detriment". I base my conclusion on experience with many ERWs, where everyone elected an immediate commencement date. Others may have different experience. Caveat: I've seen a ERW in a government plan with some different wrinkles, but not covered by ERISA.

... but "official guidance" from the government might be different. Old story: a famous actuarial professor told his students of his testimony before a state legislature that was considering a bill that defines Pi as 3.0. Fortunately, they took his advice.

Is the ER concerned about the ERF? Many DB plans that offer early retirement use an early reduction factor that provides some subsidy (perhaps small), as compared to a true actuarial equivalent reduction. If so, that means the employee who defers receipt until 65 will forego some or all of that subsidy. The net result is that the employer's proposed condition will cost the plan more.

Likely, his age at the time of working 1000 hours is not relevant. If he reaches a (possible) entry date and has met both of the age and service conditions at anytime during employment, then he should become a participant on that entry date, not the next one.