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Hi A corporation wants to start a new 401k/SH plan (basic match) for 2022. The only non-owner employee was fired early in the year as was stealing money from the company and worked over 500 hours during the year. If the owner sets up a 401k/SH plan today for 2022 and makes no profit sharing contribution i.e. deferral plus safe harbor match, I see no issue, correct? How about, adding profit sharing? As the employee would need to get an allocation for 2022 to pass 410b, would the employee need to be vested at all? Thanks

Hi Peter This is what I remember and thank you. A thank you to others as well, good discussion.

Good memory But my question was more hypothetical (and out of curiosity) where this plan has other participants and not just the owner. Reminder, pooled account. The 2020 RMD waiver does not work here as this is a plan termination. Thanks anyway.

Interesting as I am doing a valuation during the plan year for distribution purposes. So, if the assets went down by 50% (exaggerating), still need to provide the RMD based on 12/31/2021 balance? What if the assets went down such that they are now less than the RMD (again, exaggerating for effect)? What am I missing here, just curious?

Hi DC plan terminating and will do distributions in 2022. Pooled account. Do not recall when i did one last time so asking out. Owner has been taking RMD's for sometime. There are a few other participants. I am thinking of allocating the RMD based on the distribution amount for 2022 e.g. if the total distribution is 100k, take 10k RMD (assume correct amount) and rollover 90k Is this ok or I have to provide RMD first to the owner based on prior year balance and then allocate the distribution based on the balance? Thank you

Once eligible, top heavy does not have hours requirement, only last day rule, if written in the plan document. Is this something you have in the plan document?

Also watch for 411d6.

So, if starting 10/1, must give a notice by 9/30? Assume match.

A follow up on this as I was just told something by someone that I am not aware of. Existing PS plan. Wants to add 401k deferral and SH for 2022. As far as I know, it has to be set up prior to 10/1/2022, still correct? But this someone told me that, a notice has to be provided 30 days prior to 10/1/2022 i.e. by 9/1/2022. I must admit never heard of this before. What am I missing? Thank you

You were lucky

Interesting, so you got a DL? One issue dealing with hedge fund assets was the proper valuation. Dealt with a few of them in the past and it was challenge to get a proper valuation.

I remember seeing somewhere, just $1 (or a very very small amount) is not a reasonable amount as a de minimus contribution. Something from the IRS. If I find it in my notes, will share it.

Thank you

How about if only getting SH and no PS? Bird, can you provide the link to the old thread?

Hi I am definitely going to refer them to a counsel. I was just curious in general terms.

Not excluded from PS by way of plan language, just electing not to get any PS allocation, totally 2 different provisions.

Hi Approached by a hedge fund manager/partner. They want to set up a 401k plan and invest in their own hedge fund. Any comments on if can be done? Thank you

It is all because I am eligible to defer, correct?

I am the owner of Company X Company X sponsors 401k/SH/PS plan As owner, I am eligible to defer, excluded from SH (as HCE) and do not want any PS (no top heavy issues) Is my salary included for determining deduction limit? How about, if I only get SH (assume non-elective 3%) Thank you

Peter, interesting twists in there. In my humble opinion (and based on webinars attended) If signed and dated 8/1, late. If signed on 7/31 but dated 8/1, no idea how one would defend it. What happens if late? Document is now not a pre-approved document. I want to say not a biggie but again depends on the clients/plan provisions. The good-faith amendments may be an issue with non pre-approved documents. Erisapedia did a great job last week on the presentation (thank you Ilene and Derrin). They provided a very informative session on this.

Lou No, you have to provide prior benefit structure and new benefit structure as of amendment date on the notice. Plan termination date is not required on the notice. Cusefan provided the additional requirements under PBGC coverage.

I have attended a few webinars for the restatements and late restatements, latest by Erisapedia. There was absolutely no mention of 7/31 falling on a Sunday i.e. extension to next business day. As Peter said, get it done this week. Do not rely on investment advisor unless they provide an official proof for the extension.

In addition to the minimum required funding (MRC), the contract between the buyer and the seller may require the plan to be fully funded i.e. even if there is no MRC, still would need to make the plan whole. You need to check this. If you need to make the plan whole, the amount will depend on the distribution year, 2022 or 2023 i.e. how you accumulate interest credit (could be partial). Thankfully no 417e issues (hopefully) Just my 2 cents in addition to the points made above. Also have to watch for 401a26 as at the time of freeze, some may have accrued a benefit and some may not. Other testing issues as well. I guess, 3 cents.

Good points

A follow up situation but this is 11-g related This time a cash balance plan. Vesting 3 year cliff and no prior service since inception. Need to include 2 categorically excluded but terminated employees to pass 401a26. Both worked over 1000 hours during the plan year. In general, I would partially vest them if the vesting was 2/20. In this case, would 33% be reasonable or 100% is the way to go? Thanks