Christine Roberts Posted October 19, 2001 Posted October 19, 2001 Quasi-governmental employer establishes "ineligible" deferred compensation plan under 457(f) for a limited number of executives and department heads. Plan assets are to be held in a rabbi trust. If it turns out that the participants are too numerous to satisfy "top-hat" criteria, is the plan now a 457(B) plan subject to trust requirements ? And would plan assets be subject to tax for lack of an adequate trust?
QDROphile Posted October 19, 2001 Posted October 19, 2001 If the employer is a government or an instrumentality of a government, the plan is a governmental plan and the top-hat inquiry is inapplicable because it is solely an ERISA concern. You need to settle the question of plan status first. "Quasi-governmental" has no bearing except as a clue that you might have a governmental plan.
Christine Roberts Posted October 19, 2001 Author Posted October 19, 2001 The employer entity is a creature of state statute but has some powers of self-governance; i.e. is an agency or instrumentality of the state. I used "quasi-governmental" intending it to be included within the definition of a governmental entity. Perhaps a poor choice of words.
Carol V. Calhoun Posted October 20, 2001 Posted October 20, 2001 If it is an agency or instrumentality of the state, the "top hat" analysis doesn't apply. The "top hat" rules are used to determine whether a plan is subject to ERISA, and a governmental plan isn't subject to ERISA regardless of whether it is "top hat." Employee benefits legal resource site The opinions of my postings are my own and do not necessarily represent my law firm's position, strategies, or opinions. The contents of my postings are offered for informational purposes only and should not be construed as legal advice. A visit to this board or an exchange of information through this board does not create an attorney-client relationship. You should consult directly with an attorney for individual advice regarding your particular situation. I am not your lawyer under any circumstances.
Christine Roberts Posted October 21, 2001 Author Posted October 21, 2001 Then if I understand clearly, the practice of limiting participation in an ineligible 457 plan to a "top-hat" group, where the plan sponsor is a governmental entity, merely reflects a design choice on who to include in the plan, and does not have any other purpose (such as the ERISA exemption applicable for a private entity). I.e., the plan would be equally ERISA exempt if participation were not limited to a top-hat group.
Carol V. Calhoun Posted October 22, 2001 Posted October 22, 2001 Christine, you are correct. Employee benefits legal resource site The opinions of my postings are my own and do not necessarily represent my law firm's position, strategies, or opinions. The contents of my postings are offered for informational purposes only and should not be construed as legal advice. A visit to this board or an exchange of information through this board does not create an attorney-client relationship. You should consult directly with an attorney for individual advice regarding your particular situation. I am not your lawyer under any circumstances.
Christine Roberts Posted October 28, 2001 Author Posted October 28, 2001 So is there anything stopping a governmental entity from establishing a trust that is tax-qualified under IRC 401(a), in connection with a deferred compensation plan limited to a "top-hat" group; i.e., the plan would not need to be extended to non-top-hat employees?
Carol V. Calhoun Posted October 29, 2001 Posted October 29, 2001 Are you talking about a 457(B) plan for the top-hat group, plus a 401(a) for the rank and file employees, or about funding a 457(B) plan through a 401(a) trust? You could definitely have a 457(B) plan limited to a top-hat group, plus a 401(a) plan for all employees, assuming that nothing in applicable state or local law prohibited it. A governmental 457(B) plan can be funded through a trust, but it's typically a 457(g) trust, not a 401(a) trust. In theory, you could set up a group trust under Rev. Rul. 81-100 that would be a 401(a) trust, and that would in turn hold moneys of a 457(g) trust as permitted by Code section 401(a)(25). However, the second layer of trust is useful only in certain limited investment situations. Finally, because 401(a) plan of a state or local government is not subject to nondiscrimination rules (see section 401(a)(5)(G)), you could in theory set up a 401(a) plan only for a top hat group, or that had special benefits for a top hat group. However, this is a very sensitive issue among governmental plans. Congress gave the 401(a)(5)(G) exemption because it was convinced that political pressures would make it unlikely that a governmental plan would in fact seriously discriminate in favor of the top paid employees. Many governmental plans are concerned that if 401(a) plans for top hat groups became wide-spread, Congress would repeal the exemption. Employee benefits legal resource site The opinions of my postings are my own and do not necessarily represent my law firm's position, strategies, or opinions. The contents of my postings are offered for informational purposes only and should not be construed as legal advice. A visit to this board or an exchange of information through this board does not create an attorney-client relationship. You should consult directly with an attorney for individual advice regarding your particular situation. I am not your lawyer under any circumstances.
Christine Roberts Posted October 31, 2001 Author Posted October 31, 2001 Thank you for the further input. Is there a Blue Book citation or other reference to the Congressional record addressing the intentions behind the 401(a)(5)(G) exemption?
Carol V. Calhoun Posted November 5, 2001 Posted November 5, 2001 I think that there is discussion of this in the legislative history. However, I'm afraid I don't have an exact citation for you. Does anyone else? Employee benefits legal resource site The opinions of my postings are my own and do not necessarily represent my law firm's position, strategies, or opinions. The contents of my postings are offered for informational purposes only and should not be construed as legal advice. A visit to this board or an exchange of information through this board does not create an attorney-client relationship. You should consult directly with an attorney for individual advice regarding your particular situation. I am not your lawyer under any circumstances.
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