Blinky the 3-eyed Fish Posted September 20, 2002 Posted September 20, 2002 Do the normal cost and amortization bases need to be prorated for a short plan year of an ongoing plan similar to the provisions of Rev. Rul 79-237 for terminated plans? Would your answer change for a participant with compensation at the 401(a)(17) limit, whose compensation is already being prorated (in effect a double proration)? "What's in the big salad?" "Big lettuce, big carrots, tomatoes like volleyballs."
Mike Preston Posted September 22, 2002 Posted September 22, 2002 The answer to the first question is yes. I don't understand the context of the second one. Care to craft an example?
Blinky the 3-eyed Fish Posted September 23, 2002 Author Posted September 23, 2002 An example would be in a one-person plan, career average formula, the participant makes $500,000, and the plan year is 6 months long. The 401(a)(17) limit would be $200,000 prorated 6/12 = $100,000. Then I am asking if the normal cost would be prorated as well for the short plan year. And I am pointing out that in this example if both the compensation limit is prorated and the normal cost is prorated, the end result is a normal cost of 1/4 of what a full plan year's normal cost would be. "What's in the big salad?" "Big lettuce, big carrots, tomatoes like volleyballs."
Mike Preston Posted September 23, 2002 Posted September 23, 2002 I think there are a number of issues going on here. The benefit accrual in the short plan year can only take into account pro-rated compensation per the 401a17 regs. That will certainly impact current liability. However, the normal cost pursuant to a valuation is almost always based on a 12 month year, and if so, uses the full a17 compensation limit. That normal cost must then be pro-rated. If, however, your valuation uses a valuation period of less than 12 months (and I've never seen a valuation system do that, although I guess anything is possible if the calculations are done by hand) I don't think you further pro-rate the result. Now, if you have a hybrid, where you are limiting comp to the pro-rated a17 limit but still developing a 12 month cost, which must then again be pro-rated, I would say that there is something wrong with the hybrid. My problem in visualizing the issue is my prejudice towards valuation systems that always first develop a 12 month cost and then pro-rate the result. Hence, the a17 comp limit is not pro-rated. This would all be so simple if it weren't for current liability. ;-)
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