Archimage Posted October 30, 2002 Posted October 30, 2002 I am trying to understand the computation involved in a regular cross-tested plan versus a cross-tested plan that is imputing disparity. Can anyone explain this to me? I can get the computer to do it but I want to understand this additional concept. Basically I want to know how the EBAR is calculated differently with imputed disparity.
Tom Poje Posted October 30, 2002 Posted October 30, 2002 hopefully this will be translatable. take a look and then ask questions. the terms C and D rate are what the govt uses
Archimage Posted October 31, 2002 Author Posted October 31, 2002 I am using the ERISA Outline Book as my source of guidance. 1. Is there a Permitted Disparity Factor table in the book for step 2? 2. I don't quite understand step 4 or step 6. I think I may use different terms for these but I am not sure. Can you explain these a little further? Other than that, I think I understand the rest of the worksheet.
Tom Poje Posted October 31, 2002 Posted October 31, 2002 Table adjustments are as follows: SSRA = 67 Disparity NRA factor 70 1.002 69 0.908 68 0.825 67 0.750 66 0.700 65 0.650 64 0.600 63 0.550 62 0.500 61 0.475 60 0.450 59 0.425 58 0.400 57 0.375 56 0.344 55 0.316 SSRA = 66 Disparity NRA factor 70 1.101 69 0.998 68 0.907 67 0.824 66 0.750 65 0.700 64 0.650 63 0.600 62 0.550 61 0.500 60 0.475 59 0.450 58 0.425 57 0.400 56 0.375 55 0.344 SSRA = 65 Disparity NRA factor 70 1.209 69 1.096 68 0.996 67 0.905 66 0.824 65 0.750 64 0.700 63 0.650 62 0.600 61 0.550 60 0.500 59 0.475 58 0.450 57 0.425 56 0.400 55 0.375 step 4 is simply applying interest to the contribution over the number of years left to retirement. or, if you put the money in the bank at 8.5% interest, how much would it grow to by retirement. step 6 is simply the APR (Annuity Purchase Rate) for example 1983 IAF at age 65, 8.5% interest = 115.39 in other words, if you will, I have figured out a 'lump sum' on my contribution, now how much will I get monthly based on that amount and the mortality table chosen.
Archimage Posted October 31, 2002 Author Posted October 31, 2002 Okay, I am a little dense today. For step 4, if I have an HCE with comp of $132,000, covered comp of $64,248, 11 years to T.A.,and a contribution of $41000 (2003 figures), how do I come up with the accum factor of 2.453?
Tom Poje Posted October 31, 2002 Posted October 31, 2002 1.085 ^ 11 = 2.453 (please note that the spreadsheet was an explanation of Relius printout, so any terms (e.g. accum factor) match their print out. you might be calling them something else.
Archimage Posted November 1, 2002 Author Posted November 1, 2002 Is step 16 just filling in the number from step 15 or setp 12?
Tom Poje Posted November 1, 2002 Posted November 1, 2002 man, it has been too long since I have done this, and I can see the notes aren't great (I deleted all references to Quantech/Relius) on this spreadsheet) Steps 1 - 9 calculates the E-Bar (without disparity) for the profit sharing only. step 12 or step 15 is the E-Bar w/ disparity (profit sharing only) I stink therefore I exist... oh wait, I think step 16 - 18 was a verification of the data on the report. step 16 would have been the E-Bar from the printed report (all contributions, no disparity) step 17 backed out the profit sharing E-Bar (no disparity) This would be the E-Bar on deferral and match only step 18 adds back the E-Bar (profit sharing only w disparity) I am not sure why I did that. I must have been checking something. sorry, my brain just doesn't function real well at times!
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