Guest JCD Posted November 27, 2002 Posted November 27, 2002 A small plan with 8 participants (3 HCEs and 5 NHCEs) allows after-tax contributions for all participants. The plan is not a 401(k) plan. Two HCEs wanted to make 10% after-tax contributions for PYE 10/31/02. The Employer is making a 15% PS contribution. We believe that, as long as the NHCEs make no after-tax contribution, then the HCEs cannot make any after-tax contribution because, under 401(m), the lesser of 200% or 2+ percentage points is 0% (200% x 0% = 0%). Even if the NHCE made a nominal after-tax contribution, we don't think it would help much; e.g., NHCE average is 0.1%, then the most the HCE average could be is 0.2%. (The 125% test is even less than the 200%/2+ test.) Could someone please confirm this understanding?
Tom Poje Posted November 27, 2002 Posted November 27, 2002 you are correct, after tax contributions do not work if the only ones who make them are HCEs.
four01kman Posted November 27, 2002 Posted November 27, 2002 You can make this work by having 3% of the profit sharing contributions immediately vest. Then you will satisfy the "safe harbor" rules under 401k/m. Jim Geld
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