Guest Kathleen Toth Posted December 6, 2002 Posted December 6, 2002 I have primarily worked with DB plan terminations, so I am having some difficulty understanding how DC plans terminate. Once the plan says no more accruals, how do they go from there to actually being able to shut dwon the plan -- I guess I am asking how they get everything distributed. Or do they? Without PBGC involved, I am unclear how the accounts are closed out. Can participant accounts be distributed without consent, and if so, in what form?
mbozek Posted December 6, 2002 Posted December 6, 2002 The plan is terminated by a board resolution and the employer applies for a favorable determinaton by filing a 5310 form. Forfeitures held in suspense accounts need to be allocated among the participants and all accounts are 100% vested. The distributions can be made under the terms of the plan but if a partiticipant refuses to take a distribution the plan can either distribute a lump sum or if a annuity is the normal form, by purchasing an annuity contract for the participant. If there are missing participants who cannot be locatedby contacting the SSA, the account balances can be forfeited and the accounts allocated among the remaining participants or the plan admin can contribute 100% of the account to the IRS as withholding. mjb
Guest Kathleen Toth Posted December 6, 2002 Posted December 6, 2002 Thanks for the quick reply! I take then you would agree that the plan sponsor can only purchase an annuity if that is the normal form of benefit as stated in the plan documents?
mbozek Posted December 6, 2002 Posted December 6, 2002 There is no reason to purchase an annuity contract unless that is the form required for the distribution. Otherwise a lump sum is sufficient. mjb
QDROphile Posted December 6, 2002 Posted December 6, 2002 Beware Treas. Reg. section 1.411(a)-11(e) if there are any other DC plans in the controlled group.
Guest susa Posted December 10, 2002 Posted December 10, 2002 Can the participants be involuntarily distributed with account balances over $5000 in a plan termination?
mbozek Posted December 10, 2002 Posted December 10, 2002 yes since a plan cannot be terminated untill all assets have been distributed. See reg 1.411(d)-4 A-2(B)(vi)- if employer maintains no other dc plan, PS plan account can be distributed without consent in a lump sum. mjb
KJohnson Posted December 10, 2002 Posted December 10, 2002 Caution, if this is a money purchase pension plan or a profit sharing plan that has any sort of annuity option you cannot use the reg cited by MBOZEK. However, if it is a profit sharing plan not subject to 412 you may be able to do this in two steps. First, eliminate the annuity option under 1.411(d)(4)-3 and then use the reg cited by MBOZEK to cash out people over $5k involuntarily.
mbozek Posted December 10, 2002 Posted December 10, 2002 correct but the plan can purchase an annuity contract for the participant if a lump sum is not elected. mjb
Guest Kathleen Toth Posted December 10, 2002 Posted December 10, 2002 That's a very useful point -- thanks!
RCK Posted December 17, 2002 Posted December 17, 2002 I just wanted to clarify (or dispute) mbozek's first response here. The plan sponsor does NOT have to apply for a determination letter on the termination. Is it a good idea to apply for one? Absolutely, especially if there is anything in the history that you're uncomfortable with. Do most sponsors do it automatically? Sure. Would it be a fiduciary breach not to apply for one? I'm sure that you could find someone to say that it would be. RCK
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