JAY21 Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 Large medical group has 1 owner (100% of stock) and 34 doctors (all HCEs) and around 100 NHCEs. Owner wants a DB plan that EXCLUDES all HCEs other than himself and only covers the minimum NHCEs required. I think given my 410(b) ratio is 1/35 x 0.70 = 2% times 100 = 2 that this is easy to pass by covering only a small number of ee's. Obviously 401(a)(26) is my bigger issue by needing to cover 40% of 135 employees (i.e., 54 participants). Can I put in 2 benefit formulas in the plan doc so as to pass 401(a)(26) with one formula being 0.5% accrual rate for the bulk of the 54 participants, and then a 2nd formula being a high accrual rate (say 10%) to cover the owner and 2 NHCEs ? If I test each benefit formula separately I think each passes 410(b), one due to only having NHCEs in it, the other using the (1/35 x 0.70 x 100 = 2 NHCEs). I'm not sure if this is what people call restructuring or not (terminology wise). I know I have a lot of flexibility here so I want to make sure I maximize it. Any thoughts/concerns/suggestions ?
JAY21 Posted November 2, 2004 Author Posted November 2, 2004 Actually I guess I only have to cover 50 employees for 401(a)(26), but the question still stands if this approach (2 formulas) works.
AndyH Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 It works for me. Just a thought, however, about practicality. How long before the other Doctors want a plan? Or Doctors merge into your group and already have a plan. This sounds like a candidate for a DB/DC combo, or a Floor/Offset, maybe safe harbor or maybe general tested. But if you can get all those Doctors to agree to your plan, go for it. You actually have a restructured safe harbor plan.
Blinky the 3-eyed Fish Posted November 2, 2004 Posted November 2, 2004 Also, watch out for top heavy. Based on the DB alone it sounds as if you will be okay by the sheer volume of staff covered. "What's in the big salad?" "Big lettuce, big carrots, tomatoes like volleyballs."
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