Guest Mark Draa Posted January 31, 2005 Posted January 31, 2005 Are there rules analogous to 412©(8) for amendments INCREASING benefits? What is the deadline, anyway? 2.5mos > PYE? Tax Return Filing Date? Tax Return Deadline (assuming refiling)? Other? TIA! Mark
Blinky the 3-eyed Fish Posted January 31, 2005 Posted January 31, 2005 The answer to your question depends on the context to which it is applied. 412©(8) is a rule whereby an amendment to the plan, if made within 2 1/2 months after the plan year, can be retroactively applied to the first day of the prior plan year and considered for the actuarial valuation and correspondingly, the deduction available for that prior plan year. The same rule applies for this purpose no matter if increasing benefits or decreasing prospective benefits. Now if you just want to increase benefits, but aren't concerned with the valuation, well then this deadline would not apply. It sounds though as if you are applying the question for the former reasonings. "What's in the big salad?" "Big lettuce, big carrots, tomatoes like volleyballs."
david rigby Posted January 31, 2005 Posted January 31, 2005 Agree. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
Guest Mark Draa Posted February 1, 2005 Posted February 1, 2005 Thanks, guys. Yes, I was referring to having the amendment affect the deduction. Reading 412c8, the impact of the amendment (increasing or decreasing benefits) is not mentioned, only that accrued benefits cannot be decreased because of the amendment (unless approved by Treasury). Thx, Mark
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