Guest crosseyedtester Posted March 9, 2005 Posted March 9, 2005 For a DB plan which allows a non spouse designated beneficiary, the beneficiary is age 26, the retiree 55. Applying the standard factor for 50% J&S benefit form, the benefit does not seem to get as small as was thought. Is there some kind of adjustment which would need to be made?
david rigby Posted March 9, 2005 Posted March 9, 2005 Adjustment? Not sure what you mean. Just use the definition of actuarial equivalent in the plan. Do you want it checked? Post the definition and the factor, and someone will respond. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
Guest Harry O Posted March 9, 2005 Posted March 9, 2005 You need to make sure that your payments comply with the minimum distribution rules when you have this much of a disparity between the annuitants . . .
AndyH Posted March 9, 2005 Posted March 9, 2005 ......unless it is the spouse. (p.s. oops, I missed the non-spouse part.)
Guest smstls Posted March 9, 2005 Posted March 9, 2005 The rules mentioned by Harry O are in 401(a)(9)(G). In the example you cited, the nonspouse beneficiary is 29 years younger than the participant. Based on that difference, the greatest J&S that can be offered is 61% according to the regs. So, even if the plan had optional forms of 50%, 75% and 100% you would only be able to offer the 50%.
Guest crosseyedtester Posted March 9, 2005 Posted March 9, 2005 Single Life Benefit at 55 = 723.21 50%J&S with spouse (55,55) = 666.64 50%J&S with child (55,26) = 625.90 UP84-2-7@6.5%
david rigby Posted March 10, 2005 Posted March 10, 2005 I reproduced your numbers exactly. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
Guest crosseyedtester Posted March 10, 2005 Posted March 10, 2005 My understanding of 401(a)(9)(G) is: Age difference: 55 - 26 = 29 Years under age 70 at benefit start date: 70 - 55 = 15 Adjusted age difference in Table: 29 - 15 = 14 Applicable Percentage of 14: 87% This applies to the form of benefit, not the amount. So the participant may elect any J&S form of benefit available so long as the survivor portion is under 87%. In this case, 50% J&S is fine, and as per pax's confirmation the numbers are fine.
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