katieinny Posted November 2, 2006 Posted November 2, 2006 Participants in this plan get ER stock under the ESOP part of the plan and they can also buy ER stock with their EE deferrals under the 401(k) part of the plan. The employer is trying to make sure that there is enough cash on hand when employees terminate and want to cash in their stock. The employer asked the TPA to provide a list of participants holding stock so they could determine how many retirements or other terminations might be coming up so that they could make an educated guess about their liquidity needs. The TPA is reluctant to provide that information. Apparently, the TPA is concerned about the 404c regs relating to confidentiality and the potential for undue employer influence on participants. Is the employer not entitled to know which participants in the employer sponsored retirement plan own ER stock?
stephen Posted November 2, 2006 Posted November 2, 2006 It seems to me that the employer is just trying to gather inofrmation about the employer stock in the plan so they can do an informal repurchase obligation study. I agree with you that this information should be provided to the employer. After all doesn't the employer have access to this information via a website or through the annual/quarterly reports anyway?
WDIK Posted November 2, 2006 Posted November 2, 2006 Who are the named andministrator and trustees? ...but then again, What Do I Know?
katieinny Posted November 2, 2006 Author Posted November 2, 2006 The employer is named as the plan administrator and a bank is the trustee.
WDIK Posted November 2, 2006 Posted November 2, 2006 Not being a lawyer, please take my response for what it's worth. It seems to me that there are several reasons why the employer would be entitled to this information and no reason why it should be denied to them. ...but then again, What Do I Know?
QDROphile Posted November 2, 2006 Posted November 2, 2006 TPAs should do what they are told unless they are fiduciaries, breaking the law, or breaking the TPA contract aginst the TPA's will. Plain and simple. Whether or not access to the information is proper, the TPA should follow the instructions of the appropriate fiduciary. Violation section 404© is not breaking the law in this context. N comment on what the fiduciary should be thinking about this.
katieinny Posted November 3, 2006 Author Posted November 3, 2006 QDROphile -- my thoughts exactly. Getting that through to the TPA is the next hurdle.
david rigby Posted November 3, 2006 Posted November 3, 2006 Hmmm. If the TPA "resists", I might be able to suggest a new TPA. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
QDROphile Posted November 3, 2006 Posted November 3, 2006 You might tell the TPA that if it oversteps its role, it could be a fiduciary. ERISA says that if you exercise control, you are a fiduciary even if you are not a named fiduciary. Once you fall into a fiduciary role, you cannot be sure where your fiduciary status, or liability, ends.
katieinny Posted November 3, 2006 Author Posted November 3, 2006 So the general concensus is that the TPA is taking the 404c confidentiality issue, and concern that the employer could bring undue influence on participants, out of context.
QDROphile Posted November 3, 2006 Posted November 3, 2006 I did not say the the TPA's concerns were wrong or that it was wrong to express those concerns. But it is not the TPA's decison and the TPA should follow instructions of the fiduciary with authority over plan information, unless the TPA was hired for this sort of work and given discretion or authority (which would probably make the TPA a fiduciary).
katieinny Posted November 3, 2006 Author Posted November 3, 2006 Yes, I understand what you're saying. Thanks.
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