12AX7 Posted October 10, 2007 Posted October 10, 2007 After a Defined Benefit plan is frozen, can the number of participants increase for "newly eligible" employees after the freeze date? My concern is for the extra funding required in the plan when the participant count exceeds 100 participants. The "new participants" would not have any accrued benefit since the plan is frozen, so are they still counted? Thanks.
david rigby Posted October 10, 2007 Posted October 10, 2007 Depends on how well the freeze amendment is written. Normally, "freeze" means no new entrants. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
Guest DBtech Posted October 11, 2007 Posted October 11, 2007 Usually an employee with zero accrued benefit is not considered a "participant" (see below.) § 4006.6 Definition of ‘‘participant.’’ (a) General rule. For purposes of this part and part 4007 of this chapter, an individual is considered to be a participant in a plan on any date if the plan has benefit liabilities with respect to the individual on that date.
david rigby Posted October 11, 2007 Posted October 11, 2007 Note that that is a PBGC reg, not IRS. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
12AX7 Posted October 11, 2007 Author Posted October 11, 2007 The freeze amendment states that no participants shall accrue additional benefits. From that perspective, could one argue that the plan could have new participants for purposes of the additional funding required on the FSA (> 100 participants). Without the addition of the new participants, the plan would be <100.
Blinky the 3-eyed Fish Posted October 15, 2007 Posted October 15, 2007 One could attempt to argue that or one could re-draft the amendment to be specific so one doesn't have to argue anything because it is clear to everyone. By the way, from the wording of the amendment you shared, I wouldn't attempt to argue the position they aren't participants for purposes of additional funding. "What's in the big salad?" "Big lettuce, big carrots, tomatoes like volleyballs."
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