AndyH Posted January 9, 2009 Posted January 9, 2009 Is the 92/94/96/98% phase in mandatory, or optional? I keep seeing the words "may" and "available" but I don't think those words are accurate. If a plan that was not subject to 412(l) in 2007 established an unfunded base for 2008 equal to the unfunded target liability using 100% of target liability, the minimum must now be revised, right? This seems to be a mandatory change retroactive to 1/1/2008. Is that right?
david rigby Posted January 9, 2009 Posted January 9, 2009 Yes. I read it as revising the definition of minimum. Which section is your focus? I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
Andy the Actuary Posted January 9, 2009 Posted January 9, 2009 My reading was mandatory. If it is not mandatory, then 2008 Schedule SB might need to be revised to indicate whether EA has recognized WERTA. The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
AndyH Posted January 9, 2009 Author Posted January 9, 2009 I confess I haven't yet read the law, just summaries and the committee report or "Technical Explanation" report. But even ASPPA's webcast yesterday (slide 39) says "The phased-in target is available .........". I'm probably being picky, but I haven't seen much if any discussion of the extra work this will require. For 4/1/09 AFTAPs, many 1/1/2008 valuations will been to be revised because the COBs will be wrong. This means recalculating 2008 quarterlies and interest charges as well.
Andy the Actuary Posted January 9, 2009 Posted January 9, 2009 I confess I haven't yet read the law, just summaries and the committee report or "Technical Explanation" report. But even ASPPA's webcast yesterday (slide 39) says "The phased-in target is available .........".I'm probably being picky, but I haven't seen much if any discussion of the extra work this will require. For 4/1/09 AFTAPs, many 1/1/2008 valuations will been to be revised because the COBs will be wrong. This means recalculating 2008 quarterlies and interest charges as well. (b) AMENDMENT TO 1986 CODE.—Subparagraph (B) of section 430©(5) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended— (1) by striking clause (iii) and redesignating clause (iv) as clause (iii); and (2) by striking clause (i) and inserting the following: ‘‘(i) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in clause (iii), in the case of plan years beginning after 2007 and before 2011, only the applicable percentage of the funding target shall be taken into account under paragraph (3)(A) in determining the funding shortfall for purposes of paragraph (3)(A) and subparagraph (A).’’. © EFFECTIVE DATE.—The amendments made by subsections (a) and (b) shall apply as if included in the enactment of sections 102 and 112, respectively, of the Pension Protection Act of 2006. There is no indication that this amendment may be applied at the plan sponsor's or EA's discretion. The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
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