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An owner of a company has two common law employees. Neither employee met the 21 & 1 requirement to enter the plan on 1/1/08.

The wife was hired 1/1/08.

Can the DB plan include the wife for 2008 and exclude the employees? That is, liberal entry for wife, but still exclude employees due to the statutory requirement.

Thanks.

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For 412 purposes, we are beyond the 2-1/2 month time period for recognizing amendments, anyway (assuming a calendar year plan).

I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.

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Ok, then let's say it is a 1/1/09 plan year.

The previous response was "no". While it may not seem reasonable, does anyone know of a specific regulation section that would not allow this?

It would seem that the wife would not even be part of the non excludable group of employees; where the non excludables appear to only include 1 employee (the owner).

Is it because the excludable employees (alone) have to pass coverage rules too?

Thanks.

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Ok, then let's say it is a 1/1/09 plan year.

The previous response was "no". While it may not seem reasonable, does anyone know of a specific regulation section that would not allow this?

It would seem that the wife would not even be part of the non excludable group of employees; where the non excludables appear to only include 1 employee (the owner).

Is it because the excludable employees (alone) have to pass coverage rules too?

Thanks.

Yes to your last question. However, you could also have a comparable DC plan covering one of the NHCEs, assuming you get proper results from the Average Benefits Percentage Test.

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The answer is no because any amendment must be non-discriminatory. And the amendment to let the wife in (an HCE) is clearly discriminatory. Search under amendment and discrimination.

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