Guest jfsinger Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 I've searched for info on this topic to no avail and am hopeful someone can lead me to more information. I have a client that pays severance benefits from its over-funded pension plans (yes, they do exist!), both DB and Cash Balance plans. My contacts at the company (in Treasury) have been unable to give me details on the mechanics. My vague understanding (perhaps incorrect) is that an employee is given an option to receive a severance benefit in a lump-sum, or to take it as an addition to their retirement account or ultimate pension payments. (most take the lump sum, of course). Can anyone who is familiar with this arrangement lead me to more information? Another, related question: Can a Supplemental Unemployment Benefits Plan (SUB Plan or SUB Pay) Trust under 501©(17) be funded with Pension distributions? Thanks, Joe
Effen Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 What kind of information are you looking for? The plan document should define the benefit. It could be some sort of "bump" due to layoff or early termination. Sometimes HR/Treasury people use jargon to describe a benefit that isn't really accurate. Get a copy of the document or SPD. The only sub-pay plans I am familiar with are used by multi-employers and they are funded with employer money. I doubt they could be funded with "pension distributions", assuming you mean money that has been paid to a participant. What would be the point of that? The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
Andy the Actuary Posted May 29, 2009 Posted May 29, 2009 Such benefit should be codified in the plan document. This would be an additional pension benefit that must satisfy 401(a)(4), 410(b), 411(b), 415(b), and 436(d). The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
david rigby Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 I've seen this before. While it might be convenient, it may not be kosher. As per Andy's references to multiple IRC sections (and the corresponding ERISA Title I sections), this plan sponsor should make sure this practice is carefully reviewed by its ERISA attorney. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
masteff Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 Try searching on keywords {early retirement window}. We offered an early retirement benefit to anyone who terminated under the special program during a certain range of dates. Those people were then able to choose between a lumpsum and a few annuity options; the lumpsum was the normal form of the special benefit (seems like it was years of plan service times either a % of pay or a flat $, can't remember which) and then annuities were calc'd by the actuary. This window benefit was processed separate from the employee's standard benefit under the plan. Kurt Vonnegut: 'To be is to do'-Socrates 'To do is to be'-Jean-Paul Sartre 'Do be do be do'-Frank Sinatra
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