emmetttrudy Posted October 26, 2009 Posted October 26, 2009 This CB plan was effective 1/1/2004 so the 3-year cliff vesting requirement must be effective for plan years commencing 1/1/2008 and forward. Does this apply to only accruals from 1/1/2008 going forward? And the accrued benefit through 12/31/2007 remains on the old schedule? For example, an employee is hired 1/1/2005. The plan originally had a 6 year graded schedule. At 1/1/2009 would he be 60% vested (2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008)? Or would he be 100% vested in the entire benefit because he now has 4 years of vesting service? Or is he 60% vested in his benefit through 12/31/2008 and 0% vested for the benefit he accrued during 2008?
Effen Posted October 26, 2009 Posted October 26, 2009 New vesting schedule applies to the entire accrued benefit of anyone who worked more than 1 hour after 1/1/2008. You can't have different vesting schedules for different pieces of benefit. The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
Guest Sieve Posted October 26, 2009 Posted October 26, 2009 3-year cliff is not required for DB plans, so I would agree that your accruals would apply only one vesting schedule. However, you can have different vesting schedules apply to different DC plan $$ as a result of PPA--i.e., a new PPA '06 vesting schedule is only required to apply to new $$: " . . . the amendments made by this section [of PPA '06] shall apply to contributions for plan years beginning after December 31, 2006." For CBAs, the rule is: " . . . the amendments made by this section shall not apply to contributions on behalf of the employees . . . for plan years before the earlier of . . ." AA checklists usually give a choice in how a new PPA vesting schedule will apply (i.e., only to new $$, or to all $$). Of course, all vesting years of service considered under the plan still would be counted (both before & after the effective date of the change).
Effen Posted October 26, 2009 Posted October 26, 2009 3-year cliff is not required for DB plans It IS required for cash balance, and other "applicable defined benefit plans". The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
emmetttrudy Posted October 26, 2009 Author Posted October 26, 2009 Correct, as mentioned in the first post this is for a Cash Balance Plan. So if a participant had 4 years of vesting service - 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008, at 1/1/2009 they should be 100% vested, correct? Regardless of the prior vesting schedule.
david rigby Posted October 26, 2009 Posted October 26, 2009 Would not that be @ 1/1/2008? PPA section 701(e)(3). I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
Effen Posted October 26, 2009 Posted October 26, 2009 I agree with David - 1/1/2008 The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
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