Dennis Povloski Posted March 11, 2010 Posted March 11, 2010 Plan was a straight profit sharing plan and had a 2 year wait on eligibility & 100% vesting. Then, they added a 401(k) feature with safe harbor non-elective contribution. The 401k and SHNEC have 1 year wait. So there are participants that are eligible to make deferrals and receive safe harbor contributions, but not yet eligible to receive profit sharing contributions. I have 1 HCE that is not deferring, not eligible for SHCEC (which only goes to the NHCEs), and has not met the 2 year wait to become eligible. I am cross testing this plan. 1. I believe that my NHCEs that are getting the SHNEC must be bumped up to the Gateway as well even if they're not eligible for the PS yet due to the 2 year wait. Is that correct? 2. My 1 HCE that is not getting anything happens to be non-key. Does he get a top heavy contribution because he is eligible for deferrals? 3. Is my 1 HCE included in my non-discrim because he is eligible to make deferrals even though he is not eligible for ps or SHNEC? Thanks!
J Simmons Posted March 12, 2010 Posted March 12, 2010 Plan was a straight profit sharing plan and had a 2 year wait on eligibility & 100% vesting. Then, they added a 401(k) feature with safe harbor non-elective contribution. The 401k and SHNEC have 1 year wait. So there are participants that are eligible to make deferrals and receive safe harbor contributions, but not yet eligible to receive profit sharing contributions.I have 1 HCE that is not deferring, not eligible for SHCEC (which only goes to the NHCEs), and has not met the 2 year wait to become eligible. I am cross testing this plan. 1. I believe that my NHCEs that are getting the SHNEC must be bumped up to the Gateway as well even if they're not eligible for the PS yet due to the 2 year wait. Is that correct? Yes, that is correct. Anyone that is entitled to an ER contribution--including the SHNEC--is entitled to the Gateway. 2. My 1 HCE that is not getting anything happens to be non-key. Does he get a top heavy contribution because he is eligible for deferrals? Yes, I believe he does. 3. Is my 1 HCE included in my non-discrim because he is eligible to make deferrals even though he is not eligible for ps or SHNEC? I think if your rate groups for HCEs do not all pass with 70% or better ratio percentages, and you have to do the average benefit percentage test, then yes you'd include this 1 HCE. Since 401k deferrals are included in the ABP test, I think you'd have to include this HCE's deferrals in that test. In the rate group testing itself, I do not think you have to include this HCE unless he is also not a Key EE and receives a TH Min. Then you'd have to test this HCE's rate group. John Simmons johnsimmonslaw@gmail.com Note to Readers: For you, I'm a stranger posting on a bulletin board. Posts here should not be given the same weight as personalized advice from a professional who knows or can learn all the facts of your situation.
Blinky the 3-eyed Fish Posted March 16, 2010 Posted March 16, 2010 1&2. Yes to both. 3. Because of the SHNEC contribution, the general testing includes all that met the 1 year eligibility requirements. The HCE is included in the tests. "What's in the big salad?" "Big lettuce, big carrots, tomatoes like volleyballs."
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