Guest DBStudentAct Posted April 24, 2010 Posted April 24, 2010 Plan details as follows: Funding shortfall for 2010 : 250,000 Present value of prior years shrortfall charges : 300,000 new shortfall amortization base : (250,000-300,000) = -50,000 New shortfall installment : -8,000 Prior year's shortfall installment : 60,000 Total amortization installment for current year : (60,000-8,000) = 52,000 My question is that since current year shortfall is lower than PV of prior year’s charges, so there is a negative base and a negative amortization for current year. This in effect is reducing last year’s amortization installment. So should I leave a –ve base or should it be zeroed out as follows: Funding shortfall for 2010 : 250,000 Present value of prior years shrortfall charges : 300,000 new shortfall amortization base : (250,000-300,000) = -50,000 New shortfall installment : 0 Prior year's shortfall installment : 60,000 Total amortization installment for current year : (60,000-8,000) = 60,000 Thanks in advance for all help in sorting out my confusion.
Andy the Actuary Posted April 24, 2010 Posted April 24, 2010 My vote: You got it right the first time. Amortization=$52,000. The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
dmb Posted April 26, 2010 Posted April 26, 2010 Plan details as follows:Funding shortfall for 2010 : 250,000 Present value of prior years shrortfall charges : 300,000 new shortfall amortization base : (250,000-300,000) = -50,000 New shortfall installment : -8,000 Prior year's shortfall installment : 60,000 Total amortization installment for current year : (60,000-8,000) = 52,000 My question is that since current year shortfall is lower than PV of prior year’s charges, so there is a negative base and a negative amortization for current year. This in effect is reducing last year’s amortization installment. So should I leave a –ve base or should it be zeroed out as follows: Funding shortfall for 2010 : 250,000 Present value of prior years shrortfall charges : 300,000 new shortfall amortization base : (250,000-300,000) = -50,000 New shortfall installment : 0 Prior year's shortfall installment : 60,000 Total amortization installment for current year : (60,000-8,000) = 60,000 Thanks in advance for all help in sorting out my confusion. Depends on what you're funded status as to whether you're exempt from setting up current base. If funded status based on assets less prefunding (or just assets if no election made to apply prefunding balance) is at least 96% then no new base. If its less than 96% then you have a negative base.
Guest DBStudentAct Posted April 27, 2010 Posted April 27, 2010 Yes, the plan is subject to a new shortfall base since current funding percent is less than 96%. Thanks for all your answers.
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