Gary Posted July 29, 2010 Posted July 29, 2010 In trying to verify some factors: I want to get a response to the value of a52 and a53 with payment of 1 each year at beginning of year. Based on GAR94 and 4%. Some of my data includes that q16 = .000296 l16 = 1,000,000 q117 = 0.50 l117 = 1 l118 = 0 q120 = 1.00 I compute a52 as N52/D52 where N52 = D52 + D53 + D54 + ... D120 and D52 = l52 * v^52. First please confirm the above data then please let me know your result for a52 and a53. Thanks. Gary
david rigby Posted July 29, 2010 Posted July 29, 2010 Based on your q16, it appears you are using the GAR94 table, projected to 2002, unisex version. Rev. Ruling 2001-62. a52(12) = 206.300043 a53(12) = 202.771486 (Divide by 12 if needed.) Calculations from a spreadsheet that uses l, v, D, N, etc. Standard "upper 12" approximation. BTW, that table was issued under IRC 417(e). It has since been superseded for 417 purposes. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
Gary Posted July 29, 2010 Author Posted July 29, 2010 I'll check into the upper (12) calc, but it would be ideal if I can get a52 and a53 as an annual payment of 1 per year at beginning of year as opposed to a monthly payment of 1 per month at beginning of each month and dividing by 12. So I am curious to get 1 + vpx + v^2 2px + ... or put another way (Dx + Dx+1 + ...)/Dx. Thanks much. I know there are equivalency adjustments but I would like the above.
rcline46 Posted July 29, 2010 Posted July 29, 2010 Gary, if this is for a qualified plan, you must use the monthly factor times 12 for annual. I don't remember where it is, but the IRS was rather firm about it when discussing distributions.
david rigby Posted July 29, 2010 Posted July 29, 2010 The "upper 12" amounts in my previous post use N(12)/Dx. These amounts use Nx/Dx (assuming annual immediate payments): a52 = 17.650004 a53 = 17.355957 (Obviously, the 12 factor is not relevant.) I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
Gary Posted July 29, 2010 Author Posted July 29, 2010 Thanks David That is exactly what I was looking for. Gary
david rigby Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 Gary, can we infer that you agree with my calculated values and my definition of the mortality table? (It's always nice to have someone check your number-crunching.) I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
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