Andy the Actuary Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 FACTS (1) Plan is restricted from distributing benefits in a lump sum because AFTAP<60%. (2) Participant eligible for early retirement elects immediate monthly payment with full disclosure that lump sum distributions may be available at a later date if participant defers start date and that election to start immediate monthly pension, including distribution form, is irrevocable once first payment is made. (3) Plan does not provide for opportunity to elect a lump sum of remaining payments once restrictions are lifted. (4) In three years, AFTAP>80% Conclusion Monthly payment continue under distribution form originally elected. Anyone see any problems??? The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
Andy the Actuary Posted August 18, 2011 Author Posted August 18, 2011 Nope. Suppose the example is modified so that calculated AFTAP >80%, but AFTAP defaulted to <60% because Plan Administrator refused to request EA to certify AFTAP? Is your answer the same? The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
Guest Quagmire Posted August 18, 2011 Posted August 18, 2011 Nope. Suppose the example is modified so that calculated AFTAP >80%, but AFTAP defaulted to <60% because Plan Administrator refused to request EA to certify AFTAP? Is your answer the same? There's a possible breach of fiduciary responsibility by the Plan Administrator, and the participant could sue to obtain the benefit, but otherwise, the same answer. A "calculated AFTAP" has no meaning, the only AFTAPs are either certified or presumed per § 1.436-1(g)(2).
Andy the Actuary Posted August 18, 2011 Author Posted August 18, 2011 Thank you. It was clearly the intention of Congress to punish plan sponsors who fail to fund their plans. They did not envision that some plan sponsors may use this provision to prevent fund depletion when a plan is inadequately funded. I.e., if 80%, lump sums are granted on a first come, first serve basis to any NHC until the plan runs out of money. To some, this is no more just than not distributing lump sums to anyone. The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
Guest Quagmire Posted August 18, 2011 Posted August 18, 2011 Thank you. It was clearly the intention of Congress to punish plan sponsors who fail to fund their plans. They did not envision that some plan sponsors may use this provision to prevent fund depletion when a plan is inadequately funded. I.e., if 80%, lump sums are granted on a first come, first serve basis to any NHC until the plan runs out of money. To some, this is no more just than not distributing lump sums to anyone. I agree. It's one more example of bad drafting in PPA.
david rigby Posted August 18, 2011 Posted August 18, 2011 I agree. It's one more example of bad drafting in PPA. Your tax dollars at work. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
ScottR Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 Agree that it's a stupid provision. One possible remedy to make it a little more workable: Amend plan to give affected participants a 1-time option to take the remainder of their monthly benefits in a lump sum, for some specified period of time after the plan becomes > 80% funded. ... Scott
Andy the Actuary Posted August 28, 2011 Author Posted August 28, 2011 Agree that it's a stupid provision.One possible remedy to make it a little more workable: Amend plan to give affected participants a 1-time option to take the remainder of their monthly benefits in a lump sum, for some specified period of time after the plan becomes > 80% funded. ... Scott No remedy called for unless required by law. Plan sponsor does not want to pay lump sums. The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
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